Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Broadway Joe said: I normally don’t go into this debates. Much less when pages behind you say you will defend a player just because he’s on your team. But this is not true at all. Its subjective for the most part. It would be hard to quantify. Id point to the fact that Dak has a long history of smart throws, high completion percentage and low turn overs. You would regurgitate the same thing with a smaller sample size from Wentz. It would be pointless. And outside of getting a rise out of you all, I cant definitively defend my position. I just know Dak is really really good at reading defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Its subjective for the most part. It would be hard to quantify. Id point to the fact that Dak has a long history of smart throws, high completion percentage and low turn overs. You would regurgitate the same thing with a smaller sample size from Wentz. It would be pointless. And outside of getting a rise out of you all, I cant definitively defend my position. I just know Dak is really really good at reading defenses. you have the right to defend Dak, but Wentz isn't leading the MVP conversation for no reason. He reads an NFL defense like an elite quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Joe Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 The thing is that Carson does things that the stats don’t show and don’t do him justice. I think he has earned the right this season to be considered better than Prescott. Next season it will be another story and until they’re well into their career we will be able to determine who is better but for now Carson is the better QB in 2017. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, eagles18 said: you have the right to defend Dak, but Wentz isn't leading the MVP conversation for no reason. He reads an NFL defense like an elite quarterback. Have I shat on Wentz or something? I dont know why you keep implying I think he is not an elite QB. Ive said numerous times that I think they are both top ~7ish QBs. Yes I think Dak is better. But the difference isnt large. Its like Brady to Manning. Not Brady to Dalton. And you guys sure like to bring up the MVP thing: ESPN Analytics said Dak should have been MVP last year: http://www.espn.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/126836/why-dak-prescott-is-the-nfls-mvp Brett Favre said Dak should be MVP last year: https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/brett-favre-vote-dallas-cowboys-dak-prescott-nfl-mvp-ezekiel-elliott-123016 Dak was predicted to be the 2017 MVP: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/dak-prescott-has-better-mvp-odds-in-2017-than-almost-every-player-in-the-nfl/ https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Bolt/Dak-Prescott-predicted-as-2017-NFL-MVP-and-its-not-a-reach-105493109 Again, I am not trying to bash Wentz. Just saying Dak is a top tier QB in his own right. A fact that you all fail to grasp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Just saying Dak is a top tier QB in his own right. A fact that you all fail to grasp. This is exactly what we're saying. Top tier: ball hander offer first reader second reader third option taker offer 50/50 ball to dez 2 yard routes to witten and beasley having a thicker neck than head (roids) Nobody rides the coattails of their RB and OL quite like Dak. He's in a universe of his own 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phire Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Defenses put 9 guys in the box to stop Zeke? Gee I wonder why the 3 guys in coverage can't stop the receivers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Broadway Joe said: The thing is that Carson does things that the stats don’t show and don’t do him justice. I think he has earned the right this season to be considered better than Prescott. Next season it will be another story and until they’re well into their career we will be able to determine who is better but for now Carson is the better QB in 2017. Up until you guys pooped all over the last couple weeks, the stats were effectively even between Wentz and Prescott. Its too early to claim that Wentz has won the 2017 season. He has been very impressive. One of the top QBs in the entire NFL. And he is absolutely deserving of all the praise (including MVP talk) that he is getting. Dak has been right there with him though. Dak is about to set an NFL record for QBs in terms of TDs to INTs. He already set the rookie record, now he is gunning for the NFL record. He is about to break Dan Marino's record for 300 yard 3+ TD games. Just because Wentz is doing fantastic, doesnt mean Dak isnt also doing fantastic. Which is super fun, because 100% of you all thought he would flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Phire said: Defenses put 9 guys in the box to stop Zeke? Gee I wonder why the 3 guys in coverage can't stop the receivers! Its becoming less and less funny. Youve over done the baitjob. Starting to chaffe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Joe Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Matts4313 said: Up until you guys pooped all over the last couple weeks, the stats were effectively even between Wentz and Prescott. Its too early to claim that Wentz has won the 2017 season. He has been very impressive. One of the top QBs in the entire NFL. And he is absolutely deserving of all the praise (including MVP talk) that he is getting. Dak has been right there with him though. Dak is about to set an NFL record for QBs in terms of TDs to INTs. He already set the rookie record, now he is gunning for the NFL record. He is about to break Dan Marino's record for 300 yard 3+ TD games. Just because Wentz is doing fantastic, doesnt mean Dak isnt also doing fantastic. Which is super fun, because 100% of you all thought he would flop. That’s why I said as of right now. Dak is having an underrated year, no question about that. But a lot has to do with the fact that he is not the focal point of your offense and I don’t see why you can’t admit that, defenses focus on stopping the run first and foremost. Which is very beneficial for him. While Wentz is the focal point of his offense. He (Dak) is super smart with the ball though so the TD to Int radio is a good milestone as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Broadway Joe said: Dak is having an underrated year, no question about that. But a lot has to do with the fact that he is not the focal point of your offense and I don’t see why you can’t admit that, defenses focus on stopping the run first and foremost. Which is very beneficial for him. While Wentz is the focal point of his offense. Did you watch the chiefs game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daimonas Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Why cant we just put this circlejerk on hold until zeke is suspended. Literally all of our questions will be answered with a half decent sample size. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, Daimonas said: Why cant we just put this circlejerk on hold until zeke is suspended. Literally all of our questions will be answered with a half decent sample size. @Phire started it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadway Joe Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Did you watch the chiefs game? Up until the last six minutes but didn’t Elliott had 20+ carries on that game as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Broadway Joe said: Up until the last six minutes but didn’t Elliott had 20+ carries on that game as well? 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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