Mr. Fussnputz Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I fear OP31 has not commented on this draft because he is lying on the floor clutching his chest. 2 out of the first 3 picks are O-lineman. Someone call an ambulance for OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 49 minutes ago, Beast said: Hopefully no one minds that, it was just meant to be a joke. (and it was a lot better than the other .gif options) It's very tame. But who knows with some around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWH87 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 hour ago, cannondale said: Hockenson is not Gronk Gronk isn't Gronk.... I see George Kittle but a better version. Give me that 6 days a week and twice on Sunday over Gronk even in his prime. Hock will test well just wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I've decided that any mock that doesn't include Darwin Thompson is not a legitimate mock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 1:16 PM, 66fan said: I agree but we are comparing probably the number 5 DE to the number 1 TE PLUS the number 2 Guard. 2 positions for 1, not 1 for 1 Right, but a good DE is still worth significantly more than a good TE + OG. I'd take a stud DE over a TE1 + LG + RG, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 2:28 PM, AlexGreen#20 said: Why does everybody want to trade back for a Guard and Tight End? Because we're terrible at both positions. Pretty easily the 2 worst positions on offense. very little talent with no future for the position. It's Taylor, Graham and a couple of players that would struggle to make another roster in the NFL. That's a lot of snaps for bottom of the roster/ practice squad caliber players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 4:20 PM, cannondale said: I still have huge reservations with Hockenson. Looks clunky to me. Doesn't look like a good enough athlete for the next level. Maybe the combine will change my mind Didn't see that. Hockenson looked every bit as athletic as George Kittle did while he was at Iowa and there isn't a TE in the league that looks as good as Kittle right now. He might not grade out quite as fast but I think he's going to surprise you athletically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, SSG said: Because we're terrible at both positions. Pretty easily the 2 worst positions on offense. very little talent with no future for the position. It's Taylor, Graham and a couple of players that would struggle to make another roster in the NFL. That's a lot of snaps for bottom of the roster/ practice squad caliber players. So sign cheap stop-gap veterans, or spend mid round picks. Quit spending freaking premium picks on the least valuable positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: So sign cheap stop-gap veterans, or spend mid round picks. Quit spending freaking premium picks on the least valuable positions. We haven't though. Matter of fact we've done the opposite. Over the last 3 years we've signed 5 free agent TEs and 3 Free agent guards without spending one single draft pick on either position. Despite all these moves, the positions are still major thorns in the side of the offense. Maybe it's time we invest some draft capital into the positions instead of constantly trying to fix them every offseason with bad free agent signings. The annual bandaids aren't working. Our offense functioned at it's best when we had quality guards and uber talented pass catchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, SSG said: We haven't though. Matter of fact we've done the opposite. Over the last 3 years we've signed 5 free agent TEs and 3 Free agent guards without spending one single draft pick on either position. Despite all these moves, the positions are still major thorns in the side of the offense. Maybe it's time we invest some draft capital into the positions instead of constantly trying to fix them every offseason with bad free agent signings. The annual bandaids aren't working. Our offense functioned at it's best when we had quality guards and uber talented pass catchers. That HC and offense are no longer here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, SSG said: We haven't though. Matter of fact we've done the opposite. Over the last 3 years we've signed 5 free agent TEs and 3 Free agent guards without spending one single draft pick on either position. Despite all these moves, the positions are still major thorns in the side of the offense. Maybe it's time we invest some draft capital into the positions instead of constantly trying to fix them every offseason with bad free agent signings. The annual bandaids aren't working. Our offense functioned at it's best when we had quality guards and uber talented pass catchers. TE has not been a thorn in the side of the offense for 2 of the last 3 years. Graham and Cook were both solid. As far as having 1 below average guard, 1 below average guard should not be pushing an offense from 1st to 15th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: TE has not been a thorn in the side of the offense for 2 of the last 3 years. Graham and Cook were both solid. As far as having 1 below average guard, 1 below average guard should not be pushing an offense from 1st to 15th. We'll agree to disagree. Cook missed a bunch of the season and was less productive than Richard Rodgers was in the previous season. We've went round and round about Jimmy Graham who was basically a 3 catch for 30 yard per game pass catcher last year that was as bad of a blocker as the NFL has too offer. It's been worse than just one below average Guard. Taylor isn't much more than average and the revolving door of free agents have been a lot worse than that. One thing for sure, continuing to ignore the position and picking players off the bottom of the NFL scrap heap isn't working as it's pretty clear that our offense is regressing at a very quick pace. The rinse and repeat method isn't working for either position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, SSG said: We'll agree to disagree. Cook missed a bunch of the season and was less productive than Richard Rodgers was in the previous season. We've went round and round about Jimmy Graham who was basically a 3 catch for 30 yard per game pass catcher last year that was as bad of a blocker as the NFL has too offer. It's been worse than just one below average Guard. Taylor isn't much more than average and the revolving door of free agents have been a lot worse than that. One thing for sure, continuing to ignore the position and picking players off the bottom of the NFL scrap heap isn't working as it's pretty clear that our offense is regressing at a very quick pace. The rinse and repeat method isn't working for either position. 3.4375/39.75 would be his exact averages. Truly something special to round 39.75 down to 30, almost makes me think you don't care, and just hate Jimmy Graham. Also worth noting 636 yards WAS 9TH IN THE NFL AMONG TEs. You are literally hating on top 10 statistical production in a categoy. Our offense regressed from elite to average because our QB regressed from elite to average, not because we swapped out Byron Bell for Jahri Evans and Martellus Bennett for Jimmy Graham, get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSG Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: 3.4375/39.75 would be his exact averages. Truly something special to round 39.75 down to 30, almost makes me think you don't care, and just hate Jimmy Graham. Also worth noting 636 yards WAS 9TH IN THE NFL AMONG TEs. You are literally hating on top 10 statistical production in a categoy. Our offense regressed from elite to average because our QB regressed from elite to average, not because we swapped out Byron Bell for Jahri Evans and Martellus Bennett for Jimmy Graham, get real. I said he was "basically" a 3 catch for 30 yard receiver. That comment comes from the fact that Graham had 10 games last year where he had 3 catches for 30 yards or less. 10 GAMES! That is the vast majority of the season. Has nothing to do with hate for the player. I call it like I seen it and there was absolutely nothing impressive about his 2018 season. He's the highest paid TE in NFL history and gave the offense very little production for most of the season despite seeing a massive snap count. He was #2 among pass catchers in both snaps and targets yet provided very quality games. He was easily the least productive #2 target since Mike McCarthy took over the team. In a year where we had very little healthy WR talent he still was completely irrelevant. You make what ever excuse you want. If you think Aaron Rodgers was the only issue on offense more power to you. If having a terrible QB is our issue, all the drafts in the world isn't going to fix this team in a timely manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 19 minutes ago, SSG said: I said he was "basically" a 3 catch for 30 yard receiver. That comment comes from the fact that Graham had 10 games last year where he had 3 catches for 30 yards or less. 10 GAMES! That is the vast majority of the season. Has nothing to do with hate for the player. I call it like I seen it and there was absolutely nothing impressive about his 2018 season. He's the highest paid TE in NFL history and gave the offense very little production for most of the season despite seeing a massive snap count. He was #2 among pass catchers in both snaps and targets yet provided very quality games. He was easily the least productive #2 target since Mike McCarthy took over the team. In a year where we had very little healthy WR talent he still was completely irrelevant. You make what ever excuse you want. If you think Aaron Rodgers was the only issue on offense more power to you. If having a terrible QB is our issue, all the drafts in the world isn't going to fix this team in a timely manner. I wonder if his 5.6 targets per game and single digit redzone targets might have something to do with the fact he was only catching 3.5 balls per game? That's from one game. There's 50 yards easily left on the table here, from one game. https://imgur.com/ldj8AUW https://imgur.com/1Mq9rbj Also, good golly, you're not going to believe this. In week's 1-9: Graham was at 33/439/2 Per 16 Games: 59/780/4 In week's 10-16: Graham was at 22/197/0 50/450/0 I wonder if something happened that would cause such a dramatic production difference, some kind of injury perhaps? Oh right, he broke his ******* thumb!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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