BayRaider Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: Banking on a mid round rookie to play at a fringe pro bowl level from the jump isn't smart. Gabe hasn’t played at a fringe pro bowl level since he got paid. Above-average at best. I’m just telling you Guard is the least highest drafted position. This is why there is always starting guards in the third round and you bank on one of them to be pro bowl level most likely. I have no idea if we’ll drop Gabe (I mean we almost surely will if he keeps playing like the Charger game) but we will certainly be drafting a guard in the third. I would draft one in the third literally every other year. OL depth and DL depth is deeply important. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BayRaider said: Gabe hasn’t played at a fringe pro bowl level since he got paid. Above-average at best. I’m just telling you Guard is the least highest drafted position. This is why there is always starting guards in the third round and you bank on one of them to be pro bowl level most likely. I have no idea if we’ll drop Gabe (I mean we almost surely will if he keeps playing like the Charger game) but we will certainly be drafting a guard in the third. I would draft one in the third literally every other year. OL depth and DL depth is deeply important. Gabe had the highest grade of any guard in the AFC West last season and has played well so far this year. Carr struggles if his line isn't elite, why break up the band? So you can use that money to overpay a defensive player like LaMarcus Joyner? No thank you. We should trade Josh Jacobs too. Starting RB's are found in the mid rounds all the time too. Might as well capitalize value. Right? Edited November 11, 2019 by NYRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 (edited) Henry Ruggs isn’t your typical speed demon like the John Ross and Tavon Austins of the world. He’s thick and physical which also makes him durable. He also is a dog and can fight for any catch. And a very polished route runner that runs every route. I really think he can become like Tyrell Hill. Tyreek became a tank his second year with some added mass. Literally Tyrell Hill is like a speed-tank. Edited November 11, 2019 by BayRaider 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 44 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Jackson is certainly a fringe pro bowl level guard and you're not going to replace him with a mid-round rookie. Carr's only good if he has an elite offensive line and you want to replace one of our few consistent starters with a rookie and just hope for the best? Who knows how long Richie has left in the tank so we could potentially have Good and a rookie starting at OG with very limited depth behind them. I could see us targeting Fulton in the first, a quality #1 CB is a major need. To expand on this. Gabe is returning from injury and working back into rhythm. Further, Gruden's offense is built on being able to run the ball and setting up the quick pass. The interior of the Oline is of paramount importance to what the team does offensively. Pressure up the middle throws it all off. People downplaying Gabe's impact straight up don't know football or Oline play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OG_C2X Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, drfrey13 said: do you know how they decided because I am sure a lot more people will submit for tickets than are available. I am sure if anyone has a connection to the members of the black hole they will receive invites from the league and have more info. I am not sure how its decided I do know when they were in Dallas I asked my buddy, who was working for them at the time, if he could hook me up with tickets and he said it wasn't a cowboys event it was a NFL event so he couldn't help me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragingraider Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I've watched a lot of tape/video on the prospects. Best WR class I can remember. I think there are at least 6 top end receivers meaning potential 1st rounders. There is a huge drop off from the top end defensive players. Chase and Brown seem to be the only sure thing difference makers. Chase is significantly better than everyone else including Brown. Simmons has great athleticism, but plays more like a ss than a LB, not sure he can get off blocks. He should be good at covering TE's though. Good QB draft, which we don't need. I think this is a great draft to trade down if we can't get either of the two elite defenders. A top WR will still be there for us in the late 1st or 2nd. We might be able to pick up a later 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder by trading down from our chi pick with someone looking to come up to get one of the QB's. Our bear pick will be top ten. Heck, the Bears might give us a 2021 1st rounder and 2020 2nd to get that pick back. I would laugh so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, big_palooka said: To expand on this. Gabe is returning from injury and working back into rhythm. Further, Gruden's offense is built on being able to run the ball and setting up the quick pass. The interior of the Oline is of paramount importance to what the team does offensively. Pressure up the middle throws it all off. People downplaying Gabe's impact straight up don't know football or Oline play. But according to the geniuses on this forum, cutting him and replacing him with a 4th round pick is the smartest move. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, NYRaider said: Banking on a mid round rookie to play at a fringe pro bowl level from the jump isn't smart. Thats why I would bing back Good and Richie and draft 2 guards in the 3rd. SORRY for trusting Mayock at this great Rookie CLASS. Cut Gabe overpaid self and upgrade the pass rush/LB unit/and get a stud CB... invest in defense LT- K M Sharpiller - FA Vet LG- Richie- 3rd C- Hudson- James RG- Good - 3rd RT- Brown- Sharpe/Parker I trust Mayock to find two stud guards for the interior. Gabe wasn't good Thursday, and overvalued by the Reggie regime Edited November 12, 2019 by Humble_Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Thats why I would bing back Good and Richie and draft 2 guards in the 3rd. SORRY for trusting Mayock for this great Rookie CLASS. Cut Gabe overpaid self and upgrade the pass rush/LB unit/and get a stud CB... invest in defense LT- K M Sharpiller - FA Vet LG- Richie- 3rd C- Hudson- James RG- Good - 3rd RT- Brown- Sharpe/Parker With all of the holes that we have on defense, you'd use two third-round picks on backup guards? But want to cut Gabe Jackson to invest in defense? It makes zero sense. How is Gabe overpaid? He was the best guard in the AFC West last season and is just getting back into the groove after being injured earlier in the season. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just now, NYRaider said: With all of the holes that we have on defense, you'd use two third-round picks on backup guards? But want to cut Gabe Jackson to invest in defense? It makes zero sense. How is Gabe overpaid? He was the best guard in the AFC West last season and is just getting back into the groove after being injured earlier in the season. Makes perfect sense, I want to invest in proven vets on defense. guys who are in their prime and aren't prospects We have a lot of prospects DE: Ferrell, Max, Ferrell DT: Hurst, Hall CB: Mullens, Worley, Nixon, Johnson S: Abram, Joseph I would want vets to balance out the talent level on defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Makes perfect sense, I want to invest in proven vets on defense. guys who are in their prime and aren't prospects Good teams build through the draft not by overpaying average players in free agency. We're not going to get an elite pass rusher or defensive back in free agency. It makes more sense to keep Gabe Jackson, one of our longest-tenured starters, to protect Carr and use those 2/3 of those third-round picks to add more young talent to the defense. Edited November 12, 2019 by NYRaider 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justwinning Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Humble_Beast said: Thats why I would bing back Good and Richie and draft 2 guards in the 3rd. SORRY for trusting Mayock at this great Rookie CLASS. Cut Gabe overpaid self and upgrade the pass rush/LB unit/and get a stud CB... invest in defense LT- K M Sharpiller - FA Vet LG- Richie- 3rd C- Hudson- James RG- Good - 3rd RT- Brown- Sharpe/Parker I trust Mayock to find two stud guards for the interior. Gabe wasn't good Thursday, and overvalued by the Reggie regime Since you trust Mayock’s drafting abilities (which I do too), why wouldn’t you just keep the Oline intact and just draft studs on defense? We aren’t pressed for cap space. Keeping Gabe Jackson is worth it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragingraider Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Gabe is great> Thats fixing something thats not broken. Need a gaurd for richie not Gabe. Richie has maybe one more year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I'm wanting a G/C in the 3rd even keeping Gabe. Even if Ritchie gets a 1 or 2 year deal.I would not trust Gabe or Ritchie to make it a full season and if they can back up Hudson then a 3rd is worth the depth to develop. 1st rounders should be starters 2nd rounders could start but at least play and be starters by 2nd/3rd season so great as depth for a season before replacing a vet. Get 'up to speed' of an NFL game/season. 3rd rounders could start but that's a bonus. Depth and players who slipped due to off field concerns start by 3rd season. 4th rounders are gadget players and depth not projected to start. Great for RB's that are missing something in their overall game. (just a thumper or 3rd down specialist) 5th is specialists and GREAT Special Teams players be that K/P or KR. Not a bad place to take a flier on a back up QB you expect to hold for field goals LOL Also injured players who slipped. 6th and 7th is your throw away picks. Not expected to make the team but better play ST or be injured or off field morons. Homerun possible but lucky to make 53. QB 1-3 for starter 4-5 for career back up RB 1-3 for starter 4-5 for a limited role 5-7 FB TE 3-5 Don't need a stud, just an outlet for the QB a waste of a 1st IMO a 2nd if you really got to have him WR 1-3 starter 4-5 has issues off field/injured etc T 1-3 starter no RT in 1st round only LT 4-5 'issues' C 2-3 starter 4th for one who slipped but trade early into 4th G 3-5 if he's awesome 1-2 but really too many starters found in 3rd to 5th so no need to reach DE 1-3 starter 4-5 depth and small school (Hey Maxx) Actually 4-5th at any position for small school is good DT 1-3 for UT 3-5th for NT There are NT's I'd use a 1st or 2nd on so it's not a 'rule' but space eaters all over 3rd and 4th rounds most drafts. LB 2-3 starter 4-5 depth or undersized CB 1-3 starter 4-5 issues S 2-3 starter 4-5 depth etc I see way too many good safeties inn 2nd and 3rd rounds but once and a while a stud will make me break this one. James would have been mine. No I would not have drafted Abram at 27 being most of the safeties were still on the board and Thornhill I like way better. Glad to have him but I would have waited. Especially because Abram was viewed as a thumper in the box safety. Nothing is set in stone and a team a player or two away breaks the rules. A top TE in the first if it's all that's needed but if you're not a top 10 team this is a good blueprint to follow and the whole team can be replaced in 5 years so works with current FA in mind. PS I got this idea from watching patterns overall since the 1991 draft. I don't own or play Madden. Just know the cure and don't even know what number game it's on now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted November 12, 2019 Author Share Posted November 12, 2019 (not saying you) but people who bring up Madden to insult others, are people who play madden.. I don't even think about that game when I'm on here 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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