The MLB is Stupid and Tampa Bay is Also Stupid

[Forge]

 

@N4L that's how legit it was lol

[pwny]

24 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Montreal would be stupid to agree to this

Montreal already did this once before.

Also not sure how it cuts Montreal's potential earnings in half when they're selling exactly zero tickets to MLB games right now.

[ramssuperbowl99]

Just now, pwny said:

Montreal already did this once before.

Also not sure how it cuts Montreal's potential earnings in half when they're selling exactly zero tickets to MLB games right now.

The operative word is "potential". 82 home games to 41. Not even getting into how they'd break this up with the playoff games that might occur because it's so dumb.

[pwny]

21 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

The operative word is "potential". 82 home games to 41. Not even getting into how they'd break this up with the playoff games that might occur because it's so dumb.

Their potential if they don't get a team in a stadium is exactly zero.

Tampa Bay has the potential to sell 42,735 tickets a game. They're not even hitting a third of that though, so I'm not sure why a theoretical potential matters. Tampa's potential when management just up and moves the team because they've just about reached the point of no longer viewing the city as viable is exactly zero.

When the Expos played 22 of their 82 home games in San Jaun, they saw a 35% increase in the ticket sales of Montreal games over the previous average the past two seasons. So despite playing only 73% of their games in Montreal, they still sold 98.4% of the total tickets they sold prior. This even before factoring in that ticket prices were able to be increased because of the scarcity as well.

[ramssuperbowl99]

13 minutes ago, pwny said:

Their potential if they don't get a team in a stadium is exactly zero.

Tampa Bay has the potential to sell 42,735 tickets a game. They're not even hitting a third of that though, so I'm not sure why a theoretical potential matters.

When the Expos played 22 of their 82 home games in San Jaun, they saw a 35% increase in the ticket sales of Montreal games over the previous average the past two seasons. So despite playing only 73% of their games in Montreal, they still sold 98.4% of the total tickets they sold prior. This even before factoring in that ticket prices were able to be increased because of the scarcity as well.

So are their expenses. The expenses don't change to get a stadium ready, and the potential for revenue goes down. Is the MLB really going to try and sell a city by saying "hey we know you guys don't show up enough to fill out a stadium for 6 months, so how about we get a billion in funding for 3 months instead?"

Seriously?

[pwny]

1 minute ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

So are their expenses. The expenses don't change to get a stadium ready, and the potential for revenue goes down. Is the MLB really going to try and sell a city by saying "hey we know you guys don't show up enough to fill out a stadium for 6 months, so how about we get a billion in funding for 3 months instead?"

Seriously?

Except the Montreal example shows that potential revenue doesn't necessarily go down. Montreal cut out 23% of games and lost a whole terrifying 1.1% of ticket sales, and actually made more money once you factor in the increases in ticket prices. And with the fact that they're doing season splits, means the stadium can be used for concerts and other events during Tampa's staycation months to recoup whatever losses may be present.

The total MLB ticket sales lost at Olympic Stadium was 11,746 tickets. Considering 51,000 people attend monster truck rallies in Tampa, and 20,000 people hit up Luke Bryan concerts, Tampa probably isn't going to have to schedule very many events in those off days to recoup the losses on MLB tickets.

[footbull3196]

So instead of 1 garbage baseball market, let’s split it between 2.... Lol, the Expos failed in Montreal already so what makes anyone think this is gonna be different this time?  Is it because they’re actually throwing a winning product on the field?

[ramssuperbowl99]

42 minutes ago, pwny said:

Except the Montreal example shows that potential revenue doesn't necessarily go down. Montreal cut out 23% of games and lost a whole terrifying 1.1% of ticket sales, and actually made more money once you factor in the increases in ticket prices. And with the fact that they're doing season splits, means the stadium can be used for concerts and other events during Tampa's staycation months to recoup whatever losses may be present.

The total MLB ticket sales lost at Olympic Stadium was 11,746 tickets. Considering 51,000 people attend monster truck rallies in Tampa, and 20,000 people hit up Luke Bryan concerts, Tampa probably isn't going to have to schedule very many events in those off days to recoup the losses on MLB tickets.

 

55 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Is the MLB really going to try and sell a city by saying "hey we know you guys don't show up enough to fill out a stadium for 6 months, so how about we get a billion in funding for 3 months instead?"

 

[Fl0nkerton]

The Tampa Bay Rays of Montreal just rolls off the tongue. 

[pwny]

2 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

57 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

Is the MLB really going to try and sell a city by saying "hey we know you guys don't show up enough to fill out a stadium for 6 months, so how about we get a billion in funding for 3 months instead?"

 

Months don't matter, at least not in the context you're using them. They're not a measure of value. 

It's "hey, we can't make X dollars work over 6 months, how about we give you basically identical revenue for three months of use, and you can have it the other 3 months to generate Y dollars by yourself."

The city would be making more money once they secured a single country concert those other three months, why would they be upset?

[Fl0nkerton]

 

[mse326]

1 hour ago, pwny said:

Months don't matter, at least not in the context you're using them. They're not a measure of value. 

It's "hey, we can't make X dollars work over 6 months, how about we give you basically identical revenue for three months of use, and you can have it the other 3 months to generate Y dollars by yourself."

The city would be making more money once they secured a single country concert those other three months, why would they be upset?

But the city wouldn't get the same revenue. The franchise would but part of that "belongs" to Tampa. The question is why the city would agree to this.

[Thelonebillsfan]

This league is so badly run, like legitimately, it's embarrassing how stupid the people in charge of it are.

[48 1/2ers]

So how are taxes gonna work?

[Leader]

3 minutes ago, 48 1/2ers said:

So how are taxes gonna work?

I dont think there's any chance its going to happen.