2020 NBA Draft Thread

[11sanchez11]

Lol

[NYRaider]

9 hours ago, beekay414 said:

Yeah, that's why I mentioned "if his shot comes along" he'll be legit. Inconsistent shooter at this point and a lot of it has to do with him being a pull-up, off the dribble shooter. 

Yeah, skilled guys with playmaking ability usually stick around the league for a while. He'll have a long career as a backup PG especially if he can start shooting with better consistency. 

[NYRaider]

8 hours ago, BigC421/ said:

Yeah the expected to 1st overall pick has actually become underrated.  He isn’t your Zion or Ja elite talent so it’s become kind of chic to have a few guys over him.  I think people have forgotten how good he actually is

Yeah, it's hard to gauge how teams feel about prospects at this point because a lot of teams use smoke screens with the information they leak. He's not a perfect prospect but he definitely has a ton of potential and great physical tools. If he's on the board at #3, Charlotte definitely takes him. He's BPA at that point and the league's best teams are led by elite perimeter players for the most part. They have some okay pieces in place but adding a guy like Edwards gives them a young prospect with All-Star potential.  

[NYRaider]

I've had a chance to watch a few more guys and I've finalized my big board. 

NYRaider Big Board 3.0 (Final)

1. Killian Hayes | CG | France

2. Deni Avdija | F | Israel 

3. James Wiseman | C | Memphis

4. Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia

5. Devin Vassell | SG | Florida State

6. Oneyka Okongwu | C | USC

7. Aleksej Pokusevski | F | Greece

8. Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State

9. Kira Lewis | CG | Alabama

10. Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn

11. Patrick Williams | F|  Florida state

12. Tyrell Terry | PG | Stanford

13. Cole Anthony | CG | North Carolina 

14. Aaron Nesmith | SG | Vanderbilt 

15. Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington

16. Grant Riller | CG | Charleston 

17. Precious Achiuwa | F | Memphis

18. Tyrese Maxey | CG | Kentucky

19. Obi Toppin | F | Dayton

20. Saddiq Bey | F | Villanova 

21. Jalen Smith | FC | Maryland

22. Desmond Bane | SG | TCU

23. Josh Green | SG | Arizona

24. RJ Hampton | CG | USA

25. Theo Maledon | PG | France

26. LaMelo Ball | CG | USA

27. Killian Tillie | F | Gonzaga 

28. Tyler Bey | F | Colorado 

29. Malachi Flynn | PG | San Diego State

30. Ty-Shon Alexander | CG | Creightonn

[YogiBiz]

12 hours ago, NYRaider said:

I hate the Stewart pick at #27. If the Knicks are going to invest into another big they need someone that can space the floor and compliments Robinson. 

GIVE ME TILLIE AT 38 

 

Hayes, Woodard/any other wing, and Tillie would be godly. I mean, that is if Tillie stays healthy. 

[YogiBiz]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

I've had a chance to watch a few more guys and I've finalized my big board. 

NYRaider Big Board 3.0 (Final)

1. Killian Hayes | CG | France

2. Deni Avdija | F | Israel 

3. James Wiseman | C | Memphis

Hehehehehe yes. See the light. I have both Hayes and Avdija right under Wiseman on my board. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

7. Aleksej Pokusevski | F | Greece

I love this ranking for him, even though I have him listed in my wildcard tier of players. If he reaches his potential he could be a 2-Way Jokic (with a little less girth, but better handles) which would be terrifying for the league. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

8. Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State

9. Kira Lewis | CG | Alabama

10. Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn

I have Lewis rated a little better than Haliburton. I think he could be Schroeder who plays hard on D. Give me that over an efficient MCW. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

11. Patrick Williams | F|  Florida state

I think your overrating Williams. People are expecting a Gerald Wallace defender, but he's Paul Millsap through and through. He can't defend on the perimeter; if he goes this high, that is what will be expected of him. He has stone feet, tight hips, and poor footwork on D. He has trouble guarding players in college on the perimeter that might only be good enough to make the UK NBL league. Just not a fan. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

12. Tyrell Terry | PG | Stanford

Coming in at 6'3 was huge for Terry. I still have concerns with his overall handles and athletic limitations, but he can get in the paint very well and shoot the lights out the ball. He will be awful on D though.

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

13. Cole Anthony | CG | North Carolina 

I like this although I have Cole in my potential All-Star tier. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

14. Aaron Nesmith | SG | Vanderbilt 

15. Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington

16. Grant Riller | CG | Charleston 

17. Precious Achiuwa | F | Memphis

18. Tyrese Maxey | CG | Kentucky

19. Obi Toppin | F | Dayton

20. Saddiq Bey | F | Villanova 

21. Jalen Smith | FC | Maryland

22. Desmond Bane | SG | TCU

23. Josh Green | SG | Arizona

24. RJ Hampton | CG | USA

25. Theo Maledon | PG | France

I think Precious should be considerably higher, especially with you liking Okoro and Williams so much. But that's just my .02. I also think Maledon is awful and likely wont even be selected in the first round. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

26. LaMelo Ball | CG | USA

Perfect. I am not the only one who sees the fool's gold for what it is. Too bad for whatever team in the top 5 (Chicago) that will end up with him. 

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

27. Killian Tillie | F | Gonzaga 

28. Tyler Bey | F | Colorado 

29. Malachi Flynn | PG | San Diego State

30. Ty-Shon Alexander | CG | Creightonn

No Nico in your rankings, which I find odd. I think Nico is going to be an excellent pro. He reminds me so much of Mike Bibby. I think at worse he will be an elite Back Up guard. 

[champ11]

Tillman might be turning into my guy for the nuggets at 22. I like a lot of the potential options there

[beekay414]

Did a full mock draft for S&Gs because tradenba.com has a good mock draft simulator.

https://tradenba.com/mock-drafts/wjF8Wfuyx

First Round
1. Minnesota - Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia
2. Golden State - Deni Avdija | F | Maccabi Tel Aviv
3. Charlotte - James Wiseman | C | Memphis
4. Chicago - LaMelo Ball | PG | Illawarra
5. Cleveland - Obi Toppin | PF | Dayton
6. Atlanta - Devin Vassell | SG | Florida State
7. Detroit - Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State
8. NY Knicks - Killian Hayes | PG | Ulm
9. Washington - Onyeka Okongwu | C | USC
10. Phoenix - Kira Lewis Jr | PG | Alabama
11. San Antonio - Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn
12. Sacramento - Aaron Nesmith | GF | Vanderbilt
13. New Orleans - Jalen Smith | FC | Maryland
14. Boston (via MEM) - Patrick Williams | F | Florida State
15. Orlando - Tyrell Terry | PG | Stanford
16. Portland - Precious Achiuwa | FC | Memphis
17. Minnesota (via BKN) - Saddiq Bey | F | Villanova
18. Dallas - Desmond Bane | SG | TCU
19. Brooklyn (via PHI) - Aleksej Pokusevski | FC | Olympiacos
20. Miami - Tyrese Maxey | SG | Kentucky
21. Philadelphia (via OKC) - Cole Anthony | PG | UNC
22. Denver (via HOU) - Josh Green | SG | Arizona
23. Utah - Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington
24. Milwaukee (via IND) - RJ Hampton | PG | NZ Breakers
25. OKC (via DEN) - Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington
26. Boston - Xavier Tillman | C | Michigan State
27. NY Knicks (via LAC) - Grant Riller | G | Charleston
28. LA Lakers - Killian Tillie | FC | Gonzaga
29. Toronto - Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona
30. Boston (via MIL) - Leandro Bolmaro | SG | Barcelona

Second Round
31. Dallas (via GSW) - Daniel Oturu | C | Minnesota
32. Charlotte (via CLE) - Tre Jones | PG | Duke
33. Minnesota - Robert Woodard II | SF | Mississippi State
34. Philadelphia (via ATL) - Isaiah Joe | SG | Arkansas
35. Sacramento (via DET) - Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech
36. Philadelphia (via NYK) - Tyler Bey | F | Colorado
37. Washington (via CHI) - Theo Maledon | PG | ASVEL
38. NY Knicks (via CHA) - Zeke Nnaji | C | Arizona
39. New Orleans (via WAS) - Malachi Flynn | PG | San Diego State
40. Memphis (via PHX) - Ty-Shon Alexander | PG | Creighton
41. San Antonio - Payton Pritchard | PG | Oregon
42. New Orleans - Udoka Azubuike | C | Kansas
43. Sacramento - Vernon Carey Jr | C | Duke
44. Chicago (via MEM) - Kaleb Wesson | FC | Ohio State
45. Orlando - Cassius Stanley | SG | Duke
46. Portland - Yam Madar | PG | Hapoel Tel Aviv
47. Boston (via BKN) - Paul Reed | PF | DePaul
48. Golden State (via DAL) - Jordan Nwora | F | Louisville
49. Philadelphia - Paul Eboua | PF | Victoria Libertas Pesaro
50. Atlanta (via MIA) - Devon Dotson | PG | Kansas
51. Golden State (via UTA) - Mamadi Diakite | PF | Virginia
52. Sacramento (via HOU) - Cassius Winston | PG | Michigan State
53. Oklahoma City - Immanuel Quickley | PG | Kentucky
54. Indiana - Myles Powell | PG | Seton Hall
55. Brooklyn (via DEN) - Jay Scrubb | SG | John A Logan College
56. Charlotte (via BOS) - Elijah Hughes | SG | Syracuse
57. LA Clippers - Markus Howard | PG | Marquette
58. Philadelphia (via LAL) - Georgios Kalaitzakis | SG | Panathinaikos
59. Toronto - Karim Mane | SG | Vanier College
60. New Orleans (via MIL) - Ashton Hagans | PG | Kentucky

[NYRaider]

4 hours ago, champ11 said:

Tillman might be turning into my guy for the nuggets at 22. I like a lot of the potential options there

Tillman, Poku, McDaniels, Bey, Woodard, and Achiuwa would all fit well. 

[NYRaider]

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

GIVE ME TILLIE AT 38 

Hayes, Woodard/any other wing, and Tillie would be godly. I mean, that is if Tillie stays healthy. 

Sign FVV in free agency, draft Vassell at #8, Riller at #27, and Tillie at #38. 

[NYRaider]

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

Hehehehehe yes. See the light. I have both Hayes and Avdija right under Wiseman on my board. 

Hayes is my favorite prospect in the class, he's so skilled I just don't see him busting. And I also like Avdija because I think if he reaches his ceiling he's a border line All-Star like Gordon Hayward but even if he doesn't he'll be a high end role player. That's what I like about Wiseman as well, if he reaches his peak he's a 7'1" Chris Bosh with better rim protection but even if he doesn't he'll still have value as a rim running/paint protecting big. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

I love this ranking for him, even though I have him listed in my wildcard tier of players. If he reaches his potential he could be a 2-Way Jokic (with a little less girth, but better handles) which would be terrifying for the league.  

He actually plays like a wing despite being a 7 footer and is definitely the most unique prospect in the class. I'm higher on him this year then I would be in a stronger class because he's such a boom/bust prospect but he's one of the few players with elite upside in the class. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

I have Lewis rated a little better than Haliburton. I think he could be Schroeder who plays hard on D. Give me that over an efficient MCW. 

I have them neck and neck as prospects but they're two very different players. The reason I rated Haliburton slightly higher is because he's a true point guard but can also be effective playing next to another ball dominant player because he's elite in catch and shoot situations. So he's a high end playmaker that can run your offense when needed but also play off ball if you have a ball dominant wing. He's also better defensively than Lewis and he's bigger/longer so I think he has more defensive versatility at the next level, he'll be able to guard 1's, 2's, and even some 3's. I really like Lewis as well though I just think he's better suited to be in a Schroeder/Lou Will type of role as a tweener scoring guard that provides a spark plug off the bench. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

I think your overrating Williams. People are expecting a Gerald Wallace defender, but he's Paul Millsap through and through. He can't defend on the perimeter; if he goes this high, that is what will be expected of him. He has stone feet, tight hips, and poor footwork on D. He has trouble guarding players in college on the perimeter that might only be good enough to make the UK NBL league. Just not a fan. 

I agree that his success in the league will be dependent on him improving as an athlete, particularly with his lateral quickness so he has more switchability. But if he does, which I think he can and will, he should be an excellent team defender. I also like his offensive potential more than most, I don't think he'll ever be a star but he should be a high end role player that's versatile on both ends. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

Coming in at 6'3 was huge for Terry. I still have concerns with his overall handles and athletic limitations, but he can get in the paint very well and shoot the lights out the ball. He will be awful on D though.

I like Terry more than most, I think his ceiling is a lesser version of Trae Young but his realistic projection is a slightly better Seth Curry. He has an above average handle and is pretty crafty so I don't think that'll be an issue for him and he should improve off the dribble as he develops. I was actually surprised at how well he finished around the rim despite being a smaller guard and just an average athlete. He definitely has to get stronger but I like his potential long term because he's a special shooter. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

I like this although I have Cole in my potential All-Star tier. 

I like Cole more than I did at the beginning of the process. He's definitely a good shooter and can hit difficult shots off the bounce, I'm just a little concerned about his inefficiency. But a big part of that was that UNC really had no other talent around him and horrible spacing. I also think like Lewis he's somewhat of a tweener so his best role at the next level is probably a super 6th man, scoring spark plug off the bench. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

I think Precious should be considerably higher, especially with you liking Okoro and Williams so much.

I like Precious as well and I actually might make a few edits before I call it my final board. I'll probably release one more tomorrow. I like Okoro more than Precious or Williams by a significant margin though. He's going to be an absolute dog defensively and he's a good playmaker off the dribble, he just wasn't really asked to do that at Auburn. If he can even shoot at an average level I think he'll be a very good NBA player. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

Perfect. I am not the only one who sees the fool's gold for what it is. Too bad for whatever team in the top 5 (Chicago) that will end up with him. 

I literally do not like Ball as a prospect at all. He has some value as a big guard that can create and as a passer. But he can't shoot at all, isn't explosive enough to consistently beat guys off the bounce in the NBA, and isn't laterally quick enough to be a good defender. He's basically a mixture of MCW and Austin Rivers. 

11 hours ago, YogiBiz said:

No Nico in your rankings, which I find odd. I think Nico is going to be an excellent pro. He reminds me so much of Mike Bibby. I think at worse he will be an elite Back Up guard. 

I like but don't love Nico, he'll probably be in the final version I release tomorrow. 

 

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, beekay414 said:

Did a full mock draft for S&Gs because tradenba.com has a good mock draft simulator.

https://tradenba.com/mock-drafts/wjF8Wfuyx

First Round
1. Minnesota - Anthony Edwards | SG | Georgia
2. Golden State - Deni Avdija | F | Maccabi Tel Aviv
3. Charlotte - James Wiseman | C | Memphis
4. Chicago - LaMelo Ball | PG | Illawarra
5. Cleveland - Obi Toppin | PF | Dayton
6. Atlanta - Devin Vassell | SG | Florida State
7. Detroit - Tyrese Haliburton | PG | Iowa State
8. NY Knicks - Killian Hayes | PG | Ulm
9. Washington - Onyeka Okongwu | C | USC
10. Phoenix - Kira Lewis Jr | PG | Alabama
11. San Antonio - Isaac Okoro | SF | Auburn
12. Sacramento - Aaron Nesmith | GF | Vanderbilt
13. New Orleans - Jalen Smith | FC | Maryland
14. Boston (via MEM) - Patrick Williams | F | Florida State
15. Orlando - Tyrell Terry | PG | Stanford
16. Portland - Precious Achiuwa | FC | Memphis
17. Minnesota (via BKN) - Saddiq Bey | F | Villanova
18. Dallas - Desmond Bane | SG | TCU
19. Brooklyn (via PHI) - Aleksej Pokusevski | FC | Olympiacos
20. Miami - Tyrese Maxey | SG | Kentucky
21. Philadelphia (via OKC) - Cole Anthony | PG | UNC
22. Denver (via HOU) - Josh Green | SG | Arizona
23. Utah - Jaden McDaniels | F | Washington
24. Milwaukee (via IND) - RJ Hampton | PG | NZ Breakers
25. OKC (via DEN) - Isaiah Stewart | C | Washington
26. Boston - Xavier Tillman | C | Michigan State
27. NY Knicks (via LAC) - Grant Riller | G | Charleston
28. LA Lakers - Killian Tillie | FC | Gonzaga
29. Toronto - Nico Mannion | PG | Arizona
30. Boston (via MIL) - Leandro Bolmaro | SG | Barcelona

Second Round
31. Dallas (via GSW) - Daniel Oturu | C | Minnesota
32. Charlotte (via CLE) - Tre Jones | PG | Duke
33. Minnesota - Robert Woodard II | SF | Mississippi State
34. Philadelphia (via ATL) - Isaiah Joe | SG | Arkansas
35. Sacramento (via DET) - Jahmi'us Ramsey | SG | Texas Tech
36. Philadelphia (via NYK) - Tyler Bey | F | Colorado
37. Washington (via CHI) - Theo Maledon | PG | ASVEL
38. NY Knicks (via CHA) - Zeke Nnaji | C | Arizona
39. New Orleans (via WAS) - Malachi Flynn | PG | San Diego State
40. Memphis (via PHX) - Ty-Shon Alexander | PG | Creighton
41. San Antonio - Payton Pritchard | PG | Oregon
42. New Orleans - Udoka Azubuike | C | Kansas
43. Sacramento - Vernon Carey Jr | C | Duke
44. Chicago (via MEM) - Kaleb Wesson | FC | Ohio State
45. Orlando - Cassius Stanley | SG | Duke
46. Portland - Yam Madar | PG | Hapoel Tel Aviv
47. Boston (via BKN) - Paul Reed | PF | DePaul
48. Golden State (via DAL) - Jordan Nwora | F | Louisville
49. Philadelphia - Paul Eboua | PF | Victoria Libertas Pesaro
50. Atlanta (via MIA) - Devon Dotson | PG | Kansas
51. Golden State (via UTA) - Mamadi Diakite | PF | Virginia
52. Sacramento (via HOU) - Cassius Winston | PG | Michigan State
53. Oklahoma City - Immanuel Quickley | PG | Kentucky
54. Indiana - Myles Powell | PG | Seton Hall
55. Brooklyn (via DEN) - Jay Scrubb | SG | John A Logan College
56. Charlotte (via BOS) - Elijah Hughes | SG | Syracuse
57. LA Clippers - Markus Howard | PG | Marquette
58. Philadelphia (via LAL) - Georgios Kalaitzakis | SG | Panathinaikos
59. Toronto - Karim Mane | SG | Vanier College
60. New Orleans (via MIL) - Ashton Hagans | PG | Kentucky

Great work, the only critique I'd make is I can't see Atlanta passing on Haliburton and Hayes to take Vassell. They need another playmaking guard and already have a few young wings that aren't really creators. 

[beekay414]

11 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

Great work, the only critique I'd make is I can't see Atlanta passing on Haliburton and Hayes to take Vassell. They need another playmaking guard and already have a few young wings that aren't really creators. 

Went with Vassell solely for the purpose of having a wing defender worth a damn that can also be an offensive threat. I didn't even consider a PG there. It was either Vassell or Okoro. That's why I took Dotson for Atlanta in the 2nd, as another playmaking PG.

[beekay414]

Apparently LaMelo is bombing the interview process lol. Go figure. 

[champ11]

1 hour ago, NYRaider said:

Tillman, Poku, McDaniels, Bey, Woodard, and Achiuwa would all fit well. 

my top guys are Tillman/Poku/Bane/Maxey/Woodard for guys who will likely be at 22. I really like a lot of guys in the 10-40 range