Bobby816 Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, jetfuel34 said: Cooper will be a FA and I think he does go to the Jets. I think we get him and few OL guys and end up drafting Young as our edge guy. I think we do get 2-3 OLineman. Cooper is a possibility but doubtful and there's really no way we get Young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doumeyer Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Giants, Receivers drafted since 2001 Darius Slayton. Sterling Shepard, Odell Beckham, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz All big time players Giants TE drafted , Evan Engram, Jeremy Shockey Both top players Jets Receivers, drafted since 2001 Santana Moss, good pick, all the other receiver we drafted sucked Jets TE drafted all were a huge bust, and our last TE drafted for one reason or another can't get on the field. If we want Darnold to improve we have to get him quality receivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, doumeyer said: Giants, Receivers drafted since 2001 Darius Slayton. Sterling Shepard, Odell Beckham, Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz All big time players Giants TE drafted , Evan Engram, Jeremy Shockey Both top players Jets Receivers, drafted since 2001 Santana Moss, good pick, all the other receiver we drafted sucked Jets TE drafted all were a huge bust, and our last TE drafted for one reason or another can't get on the field. If we want Darnold to improve we have to get him quality receivers Trust me me more so than anyone on here is upset how much we haven't added offensive talent for this team over the last God knows how many years. But we have drafted players that turned out a decent or even good NFL players since the time frame you're saying. 2001: WR Moss, and OT McKenzie 2002: TE Baker (this was a time frame TEs didn't put up WR numbers) 2004: WR Cotchery (was a very good player for us) 2006: OT DBrick, OC Mangold, RB Washington (This is my favorite draft for us ever and I'm hoping to repeat this draft this year). 2008: TE Keller (was a solid TE for us) 2009: QB Sanchez and RB Greene 2011: RB Powell and WR Kerley (solid players) Its more the misses we have had and the lack of spending 1st Rounders on offense. That's the big thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doumeyer Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: Trust me me more so than anyone on here is upset how much we haven't added offensive talent for this team over the last God knows how many years. But we have drafted players that turned out a decent or even good NFL players since the time frame you're saying. 2001: WR Moss, and OT McKenzie 2002: TE Baker (this was a time frame TEs didn't put up WR numbers) 2004: WR Cotchery (was a very good player for us) 2006: OT DBrick, OC Mangold, RB Washington (This is my favorite draft for us ever and I'm hoping to repeat this draft this year). 2008: TE Keller (was a solid TE for us) 2009: QB Sanchez and RB Greene 2011: RB Powell and WR Kerley (solid players) Its more the misses we have had and the lack of spending 1st Rounders on offense. That's the big thing. Yeah I forgot Keller, he was a good player, the first round is your best chance of getting a top playmaker, sure you can get one in the later rounds but the odds are against you. The bottom is to many years not drafting Offensive players in the first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 minute ago, doumeyer said: Yeah I forgot Keller, he was a good player, the first round is your best chance of getting a top playmaker, sure you can get one in the later rounds but the odds are against you. The bottom is to many years not drafting Offensive players in the first round Exactly.. you generally get top talent in Round 1. That's not saying you cant get great talent late... but look at the top WRs and RBs in the league. They're mostly 1st Rounders or 2nd Rounder. RB: McCaffrey (1), Henry (2), Chubb (2), Cook (2), Elliott (1), Barkley (1), Jacobs (1), Fournette (1), Ingram (1), In fact the only RB in the top 10 this year is Carson. WR: Thomas (2), Hopkins (1), Evans (1), Moore (1), Julio (1), Cooper (1), The other WRs in the top 10 are Godwin and Golladay both 3rd Rounders and Edelman who was a late Rounder. So as you can see quality picks make for the best talent at skill positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted December 11, 2019 Author Share Posted December 11, 2019 Not relevant, but if I were running drafts, my philosophy would be fairly simple every year: Round 1: Focus on QB/OL/DL-EDGE Exception: elite talents (BPA, i.e. Jamal Adams) Round 2: Focus on "skill" players with high floors (WR/CB) or OL Exception: 1st round talents who fell out of round 1 (BPA, i.e. Darius Leonard) Round 3: Focus "skill" players (WR/CB), DL-EDGE, or high floor RB/TE/OL/LB Exception: developmental QBs Day 3 would be spent on high floor interior lineman, upside players, small school prospects, and special teamers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan66 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Keller was a good player? He was serviceable but I don’t think you ever could have considered him a top 10 TE in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 20 hours ago, Jetfan66 said: Keller was a good player? He was serviceable but I don’t think you ever could have considered him a top 10 TE in the league Yes Keller was a good player before his career ending injury and yes at one point he definitely was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 21 hours ago, Jetfan66 said: Keller was a good player? He was serviceable but I don’t think you ever could have considered him a top 10 TE in the league So now a guy has to be top 10 at their position to be good? I’m not at all saying Keller was great... but as a draft pick and his career... he wasn’t just a complete failed draft pick. He battled injuries as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I’d put money on our skill position core next year being, Emmanuel Sanders, Crowder, Jalen Raegor, Vyn Smith, Thomas, Kenyan Drake, Chiba Howard, Trent Cannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, Dr.O said: I’d put money on our skill position core next year being, Emmanuel Sanders, Crowder, Jalen Raegor, Vyn Smith, Thomas, Kenyan Drake, Chiba Howard, Trent Cannon sounds like the 26th rated offense. cant wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, ekill08x said: sounds like the 26th rated offense. cant wait. 23rd* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekill08x Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr.O said: 23rd* we'd give gase an extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.O Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, ekill08x said: we'd give gase an extension It’s what I’m expecting tbh lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskid007 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Healthy Dustin Keller would've thrived in today's NFL. Remember, this is a guy who put up top 10 TE numbers in a pre-Russ Wilson Schottenheimer offense with Mark Sanchez throwing him the ball. Would have been comparable to Jordan Reed in his prime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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