AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rainmaker90 said: Another Aaron Rodgers sucks thread, just what we need! ill say it again, some of you guys are in for a rude awakening when he’s gone. It's okay, we've been condition for .500 football after the last three years of watching him play. After all, his record starting the last two years is 10-12-1 with league averages in points per drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, cannondale said: Another late thought on the first play in question. Would it have been an illegal formation without the motion ?? Talking about the WR on that side - both sides actually. I believe it would have been I still can't imagine there's an audible for that. Would have had to kill the play and audible to a new one. Too many of those in this game No reason at all you couldn't kill the motion and simply motion your receivers up with hand signals if they weren't smart enough to pick up on it without your help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: It's okay, we've been condition for .500 football after the last three years of watching him play. After all, his record starting the last two years is 10-12-1 with league averages in points per drive. I’m really not gonna divulge into all the crap in this post just to satisfy your need to be trendy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Rainmaker90 said: I’m really not gonna divulge into all the crap in this post just to satisfy your need to be trendy. We have an average QB with a below average offensive scheme and coach. This is how you end up with the 26th best offense in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: We have an average QB with a below average offensive scheme and coach. This is how you end up with the 26th best offense in the league. We're not the 26th best offense in the league though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: No reason at all you couldn't kill the motion and simply motion your receivers up with hand signals if they weren't smart enough to pick up on it without your help. I don't know man. Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. That's a lot of crap to communicate to befuddled teammates with probably 8 seconds left on the clock. It's an interesting dilemma that I have never thought of before. I could be wrong but I still don't think there is any language for that other than to audible to a new play. I'm sure it's not the first play that was ever run that was dead in the water before the ball was snapped. Sometimes you just have to run it and live to another down. Edited September 25, 2019 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I got no problem with the questions. I'm confused by why anybody is talking about the damn blocking? Who cares? This should have been the easiest blocking in the world, and instead we decided to run into a freaking overloaded side. Yeah that's my fault too. I saw the end game and got distracted from the actual point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, incognito_man said: We're not the 26th best offense in the league though. A lot closer than 14th or whatever the hell DVOA is trying to claim. Would it make you feel better if I change it to 26th in Points Per Drive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: A lot closer than 14th or whatever the hell DVOA is trying to claim. Would it make you feel better if I change it to 26th in Points Per Drive? It would, because that's not a standalone metric IMO. Too many ignored variables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 1 minute ago, cannondale said: I don't know man. Gonna have to disagree with you on this one. That's a lot of crap to communicate to befuddled teammates with probably 8 seconds left on the clock. It's an interesting dilemma that I have never thought of before. I could be wrong but I still don't think there is any language for that other than to audible to a new play. I'm sure it's not the first play that was ever run that was dead in the water before the ball was snapped Professional receivers should absolutely be smart enough to know what a gesture forward means. That particular adjustment is made with some frequency. Even assuming that's screwed up, just say the damn formation and play itself. They'll get it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Professional receivers should absolutely be smart enough to know what a gesture forward means. That particular adjustment is made with some frequency. Even assuming that's screwed up, just say the damn formation and play itself. They'll get it then. Yea - the receivers part is fine. The killing the motion is something that I can't wrap my head around. It's such a unique situation. shrug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, cannondale said: Yea - the receivers part is fine. The killing the motion is something that I can't wrap my head around. It's such a unique situation. shrug "No motion! No motion! Kill motion!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: A lot closer than 14th or whatever the hell DVOA is trying to claim. Would it make you feel better if I change it to 26th in Points Per Drive? Just an observation but you tend to dismiss things that run counter to your arguments too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 Just now, deathstar said: Just an observation but you tend to dismiss things that run counter to your arguments too much. Are you going to try and argue that this is somehow an above average offense? DVOA has it's place, but not after 3 games. Also, our overall offensive DVOA is 20th despite our passing DVOA being 14th and our rushing DVOA being 16th. Something's funky. Quote Doing a better job of distributing credit for scoring points and winning games is the goal of DVOA, or Defense-adjusted Value Over Average. DVOA breaks down every single play of the NFL season, assigning each play a value based on both total yards and yards towards a first down, based on work done by Pete Palmer, Bob Carroll, and John Thorn in their seminal book, The Hidden Game of Football. On first down, a play is considered a success if it gains 45 percent of needed yards; on second down, a play needs to gain 60 percent of needed yards; on third or fourth down, only gaining a new first down is considered success. We then expand upon that basic idea with a more complicated system of “success points,” improved over the past few years with a lot of mathematics and a bit of trial and error. A successful play is worth one point; an unsuccessful play, zero points with fractional points in between (e.g., eight yards on third-and-10 is worth 0.54 “success points”). Extra points are awarded for big plays, gradually increasing to three points for 10 yards (assuming those yards result in a first down), four points for 20 yards, and five points for 40 yards or more. Losing three or more yards is -1 point. Interceptions occurring on fourth down during the last two minutes of a game incur no penalty whatsoever, but all others average -6 points, with an adjustment for the length of the pass and the location of the interception (since an interception tipped at the line is more likely to produce a long return than an interception on a 40-yard pass). A fumble is worth anywhere from -1.7 to -4.0 points depending on how often a fumble in that situation is lost to the defense -- no matter who actually recovers the fumble. Red zone plays get a bonus: 20 percent for team offense, five percent for team defense, and 10 percent for individual players. There is a bonus given for a touchdown, which acknowledges that the goal line is significantly more difficult to cross than the previous 99 yards (although this bonus is nowhere near as large as the one used in fantasy football). We're doing very well on turnovers and redzone offense. That helps our rating a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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