AntonChigurh Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Updated. Here is every QB. QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Russell Wilson 1 2 1 1 2 1.4 -- 2 Dak Prescott 6 1 3 3 3 3.2 +1 3 Patrick Mahomes 2 3 10 2 1 3.6 -1 4 Deshaun Watson 4 4 6 4 6 4.8 -- 5 Matthew Stafford 8 9 9 5 5 7.2 -- 6 Tom Brady 10 11 4 7 7 7.8 -- 7 Matt Ryan 7 7 12 6 9 8.2 NR 8 Kirk Cousins 3 16 14 8 4 9.0 NR 9 Carson Wentz 17 5 2 10 13 9.4 -- 10 Lamar Jackson 13 6 8 18 14 11.8 NR 11 Aaron Rodgers 18 15 5 11 12 12.2 -1 12 Derek Carr 12 17 7 9 18 12.6 13 Kyle Allen 5 14 22 17 8 13.2 14 Jimmy Garoppolo 14 13 16 13 11 13.4 -6 15 Gardner Minshew 11 20 20 12 10 14.6 -8 16 Teddy Bridgewater 9 22 17 14 17 15.8 17 Philip Rivers 20 19 11 16 15 16.2 18 Jacoby Brissett 15 18 26 15 19 18.6 19 Joe Flacco 22 10 18 22 21 18.6 20 Kyler Murray 21 12 15 24 23 19.0 21 Case Keenum 16 21 28 19 16 20.0 22 Jameis Winston 23 23 23 21 22 22.4 23 Marcus Mariota 19 29 21 26 20 23.0 24 Daniel Jones 28 8 25 28 27 23.2 25 Jared Goff 26 27 19 23 24 23.8 26 Andy Dalton 24 25 24 25 25 24.6 27 Baker Mayfield 29 24 13 29 28 24.6 28 Mitchell Trubisky 25 26 30 20 29 26.0 29 Josh Allen 27 28 27 27 26 27.0 30 Josh Rosen 30 30 29 30 30 29.8 This is why stats oustide of being used to build context are meaningless. The eye test along will tell these rankings are absolute trash I mean Dak Prescott is the #2 qb in the NFL? Yea no, hard pass Edited October 16, 2019 by AntonChigurh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, AntonChigurh said: This is why stats oustide of being used to build context are meaningless. The eye test along will tell these rankings are absolute trash I mean Dak Prescott is the #2 qb in the NFL? Yea no, hard pass Ok. He is clearly top 5* even if you dont think #2. Eye test and stat verified. *I think he will regress more to the 8-10 range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AntonChigurh Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 9 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Ok. He is clearly top 5* even if you dont think #2. Eye test and stat verified. *I think he will regress more to the 8-10 range No he is not, His accuracy as always is suspect and his decision making is trash as usual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 18 hours ago, Matts4313 said: 2 hours ago, AntonChigurh said: No he is not, His accuracy as always is suspect and his decision making is trash as usual lol ridiculous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockice_8 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 15 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said: Updated. Here is every QB. QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Russell Wilson 1 2 1 1 2 1.4 -- 2 Dak Prescott 6 1 3 3 3 3.2 +1 3 Patrick Mahomes 2 3 10 2 1 3.6 -1 4 Deshaun Watson 4 4 6 4 6 4.8 -- 5 Matthew Stafford 8 9 9 5 5 7.2 -- 6 Tom Brady 10 11 4 7 7 7.8 -- 7 Matt Ryan 7 7 12 6 9 8.2 NR 8 Kirk Cousins 3 16 14 8 4 9.0 NR 9 Carson Wentz 17 5 2 10 13 9.4 -- 10 Lamar Jackson 13 6 8 18 14 11.8 NR 11 Aaron Rodgers 18 15 5 11 12 12.2 -1 12 Derek Carr 12 17 7 9 18 12.6 13 Kyle Allen 5 14 22 17 8 13.2 14 Jimmy Garoppolo 14 13 16 13 11 13.4 -6 15 Gardner Minshew 11 20 20 12 10 14.6 -8 16 Teddy Bridgewater 9 22 17 14 17 15.8 17 Philip Rivers 20 19 11 16 15 16.2 18 Jacoby Brissett 15 18 26 15 19 18.6 19 Joe Flacco 22 10 18 22 21 18.6 20 Kyler Murray 21 12 15 24 23 19.0 21 Case Keenum 16 21 28 19 16 20.0 22 Jameis Winston 23 23 23 21 22 22.4 23 Marcus Mariota 19 29 21 26 20 23.0 24 Daniel Jones 28 8 25 28 27 23.2 25 Jared Goff 26 27 19 23 24 23.8 26 Andy Dalton 24 25 24 25 25 24.6 27 Baker Mayfield 29 24 13 29 28 24.6 28 Mitchell Trubisky 25 26 30 20 29 26.0 29 Josh Allen 27 28 27 27 26 27.0 30 Josh Rosen 30 30 29 30 30 29.8 Guess Darnold doesn't have enough snaps yet to qualify? Curious where he would land he's looked pretty good in limited action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, eagles18 said: Definitely not trash rankings. very fair tbh.. As you can see i'm not rating wentz top five yet. It depends on what you determine borderline is... I'll take Stafford and Foles above Prescott, so that leaves prescott anywhere from the 13-15 range Quote Mahomes Wilson Brees Rodgers Watson Wentz Goff Ryan Garoppolo Rivers 34 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: So what you are saying, is even with the trash rankings, Dak would still be *BORDERLINE* top 10? So you finally realize I was right and you all were clearly wrong. Congrats, you played yourself On 9/24/2019 at 7:12 PM, RandyMossIsBoss said: Here are various top 10 lists of oft quoted passing statistics, ratings, grades, etc. that I will update throughout the season. I think it will be nice having them in one place. Also to compare which "system" seems to most accurately reflect QB play. Passer Rating Player Passer Rating 1 Russell Wilson 124.7 2 Patrick Mahomes 111.9 3 Kirk Cousins 108.4 4 Deshaun Watson 107.9 5 Kyle Allen 106.6 6 Dak Prescott 102.9 7 Matt Ryan 102.7 8 Matthew Stafford 99.1 9 Teddy Bridgewater 98.4 10 Gardner Minshew 97.5 Total QBR Player Total QBR 1 Dak Prescott 81.1 2 Russell Wilson 79.4 3 Patrick Mahomes 76.6 4 Deshaun Watson 75.9 5 Carson Wentz 67.8 6 Lamar Jackson 64 7 Matt Ryan 62.9 8 Daniel Jones 60.7 9 Matthew Stafford 58.8 10 Joe Flacco 57.9 PFF Player PFF 1 Russell Wilson 90.7 2 Carson Wentz 90.6 3 Dak Prescott 85.7 4 Tom Brady 83.3 5 Aaron Rodgers 82.8 6 Deshaun Watson 82.1 7 Derek Carr 78.1 8 Lamar Jackson 76.8 9 Matthew Stafford 76.5 10 Pat Mahomes 76.4 DVOA Player DVOA 1 Russell Wilson 41.80% 2 Pat Mahomes 38.70% 3 Dak Prescott 34.20% 4 Deshaun Watson 21.40% 5 Matthew Stafford 19.80% 6 Matt Ryan 17.00% 7 Tom Brady 15.20% 8 Kirk Cousins 13.80% 9 Derek Carr 11.80% 10 Carson Wentz 10.90% Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt Player ANY/A 1 Patrick Mahomes 9.54 2 Russell Wilson 9.22 3 Dak Prescott 8.16 4 Kirk Cousins 7.93 5 Matthew Stafford 7.66 6 Deshaun Watson 7.52 7 Tom Brady 7.29 8 Kyle Allen 7.21 9 Matt Ryan 6.96 10 Gardner Minshew 6.92 Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard) QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Russell Wilson 1 2 1 1 2 1.4 -- 2 Dak Prescott 6 1 3 3 3 3.2 +1 3 Patrick Mahomes 2 3 10 2 1 3.6 -1 4 Deshaun Watson 4 4 6 4 6 4.8 -- 5 Matthew Stafford 8 9 9 5 5 7.2 -- 6 Tom Brady 10 11 4 7 7 7.8 -- 7 Matt Ryan 7 7 12 6 9 8.2 NR 8 Kirk Cousins 3 16 14 8 4 9.0 NR 9 Carson Wentz 17 5 2 10 13 9.4 -- 10 Lamar Jackson 13 6 8 18 14 11.8 NR 11 Aaron Rodgers 18 15 5 11 12 12.2 -1 12 Derek Carr 12 17 7 9 18 12.6 13 Kyle Allen 5 14 22 17 8 13.2 14 Jimmy Garoppolo 14 13 16 13 11 13.4 -6 15 Gardner Minshew 11 20 20 12 10 14.6 -8 16 Teddy Bridgewater 9 22 17 14 17 15.8 17 Philip Rivers 20 19 11 16 15 16.2 18 Jacoby Brissett 15 18 26 15 19 18.6 19 Joe Flacco 22 10 18 22 21 18.6 20 Kyler Murray 21 12 15 24 23 19.0 21 Case Keenum 16 21 28 19 16 20.0 22 Jameis Winston 23 23 23 21 22 22.4 23 Marcus Mariota 19 29 21 26 20 23.0 24 Daniel Jones 28 8 25 28 27 23.2 25 Jared Goff 26 27 19 23 24 23.8 26 Andy Dalton 24 25 24 25 25 24.6 27 Baker Mayfield 29 24 13 29 28 24.6 28 Mitchell Trubisky 25 26 30 20 29 26.0 29 Josh Allen 27 28 27 27 26 27.0 30 Josh Rosen 30 30 29 30 30 29.8 From what takes the least into account to what takes the most into account: Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT% ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR. QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch) PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale Edited October 16, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 14 hours ago, Matts4313 said: Whats really impressive about Dak is he has done this with his top 4 WRs and 2 starting OTs missing time due to injury. Additionally, the Cowboys are top 5 in the NFL in drops. Really makes his continued good play really stand out. What also stands out is that 4 of his 6 games were against teams with a combined 4-18 record... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, HTTRDynasty said: What also stands out is that 4 of his 6 games were against teams with a combined 4-18 record... Really if you are going to insult him, you should pull their defensive rankings, not their team record. Using team record is stupid and not applicable to Daks performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Really if you are going to insult him, you should pull their defensive rankings, not their team record. Using team record is stupid and not applicable to Daks performance. Well, if a team's offense is inept, you get more opportunities to score against them, which is reflected in their overall records. But sure, the four teams rank 16th, 23rd, 24th, and 32nd in defensive DVOA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: Well, if a team's offense is inept, you get more opportunities to score against them, which is reflected in their overall records. But sure, the four teams rank 16th, 23rd, 24th, and 32nd in defensive DVOA. Thats a better insult. So now I give you the typical "you can only play who is on the schedule" response. Ill also include that Dak being statistically top 5-10 goes all the way back to week 9 of last year. Not to mention he was top 5 in his first 24 games. So that like pushing 40 games of top ~5ish statistical play. So feel free to pull the DVOA of all those games as well. (hint this is where you say he doesnt pass your "eye test") Edited October 16, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Matts4313 said: Thats a better insult. So now I give you the typical "you can only play who is on the schedule" response. Ill also include that Dak being statistically top 5-10 goes all the way back to week 9 of last year. Not to mention he was top 5 in his first 20 games. So that like pushing 40 games of top ~5ish statistical play. So feel free to pull the DVOA of all those games as well. (hint this is where you say he doesnt pass your "eye test") I was just referring to this season. It's all I care about. And, actually, my bad, I posted total defense DVOA instead of just pass defense. The revised rankings are 17th, 24th, 28th, and 32nd. He'll face a tougher schedule on the back half. I'm interested to see how he performs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, HTTRDynasty said: I was just referring to this season. It's all I care about. And, actually, my bad, I posted total defense DVOA instead of just pass defense. The revised rankings are 17th, 24th, 28th, and 32nd. He'll face a tougher schedule on the back half. I'm interested to see how he performs. As I have been saying for weeks, I think we see a regression to the 8-10 range based on schedule. Dak is a 5-10 QB capable of playing top 3 for stretches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: As I have been saying for weeks, I think we see a regression to the 8-10 range based on schedule. Dak is a 5-10 QB capable of playing top 3 for stretches. my rankings are not just based off this year.. its overall. Dak just doesn't make the cut.. Even NFL players didn't include him in the Top 100.. I don't know why you fight this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 1 minute ago, eagles18 said: my rankings are not just based off this year.. its overall. Dak just doesn't make the cut.. Even NFL players didn't include him in the Top 100.. I don't know why you fight this. NFL players have also voted him a top 10 player in the NFL regardless of position in that top 100 list. Sooooo.... That doesnt hold much merit. That list changes drastically every year. And NFL players/coaches hold 66.67% of the probowl vote. Just FYI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles18 Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Just now, Matts4313 said: NFL players have also voted him a top 10 player in the NFL regardless of position in that top 100 list. Sooooo.... That doesnt hold much merit. That list changes drastically every year. And NFL players/coaches hold 66.67% of the probowl vote. Just FYI You're right... Dak deserves 40 million. #PAYTHATMAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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