MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, aceinthehouse said: What would you guys rather have right now, if it were the only option? Owner=Snyder GM= Bruce Allen Coach= Bill Belicheat Or Owner= Robert Kraft GM= Ozzie Newsome Coach=Jay Gruden Thank you, I'll be here all day. I'm off work today. OK first off, this is a dumb comparison, because its not like we're being forced to keep Bruce Allen. Just fire him and Jay. Second off, I would take the competent GM and Owner over a HC all day every day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Double post. Edited September 30, 2019 by MKnight82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) I would rather have Robert Kraft as my owner. Because he would fire Gruden and spend buckets to hire Bellichek. Because we wouldn't have stories about Kraft's son/grandson going to the same high school as a potential draft pick and wanting to draft him because of that. Because Kraft doesn't try and get reporters fired. Because Kraft doesn't ban signs disparaging a terrible team in the stadium because it hurts his feelings. Because Kraft doesn't make up a wait list for season tickets. Because Kraft doesn't hire assistant coaches not requested by his head coach who bring stupidly long playbooks. Because Kraft doesn't sue people who don't want to be season ticket holders anymore because they can't afford it. Edited September 30, 2019 by Slateman 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Wait, we have this tread already don’t we? #FIREBRUCEALLEN And, we have another thread about talking about our future. That being said, I do agree with this post. I hope something like this happens, but I have my doubts that Snyder will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 14 minutes ago, aceinthehouse said: What would you guys rather have right now, if it were the only option? Owner=Snyder GM= Bruce Allen Coach= Bill Belicheat Or Owner= Robert Kraft GM= Ozzie Newsome Coach=Jay Gruden Thank you, I'll be here all day. I'm off work today. Option 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Give me the mad genius .. I'll take option #1 .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: Give me the mad genius .. I'll take option #1 .. But his hypothetical is pointless. First off, why do we have to settle for one or the other? Second, Belichick is so successful because he is a great GM as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: Give me the mad genius .. I'll take option #1 .. Bellicheck would accomplish nothing with an owner like Dan Snyder dictating draft picks and pushing his horrible management on him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I said pick one or the other as only option. I didn't say you can have option 2, then fire Gruden whenever it was convieniant for you. My point was.... If Bruce Allen isn't going anywhere & neither is Dan? Then you get a great coach. Because a great coach would succeed. My proof? Los Angeles Rams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, aceinthehouse said: I said pick one or the other as only option. I didn't say you can have option 2, then fire Gruden whenever it was convieniant for you. My point was.... If Bruce Allen isn't going anywhere & neither is Dan? Then you get a great coach. Because a great coach would succeed. My proof? Los Angeles Rams The rams have a good GM. If we fire Gruden and keep Bruce we'll be right back here in 3 years. The only way to change anything is to remove all of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, MKnight82 said: The rams have a good GM. If we fire Gruden and keep Bruce we'll be right back here in 3 years. The only way to change anything is to remove all of them. They also have decent ownership. Seems to be the trend here. Good owners hire good GMs who hire good coaches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Slateman said: They also have decent ownership. Seems to be the trend here. Good owners hire good GMs who hire good coaches. Then how do you explain coach Gibbs 2.0 taking us to 2 playoff appearances in 4 seasons, winning a playoff game. Under Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted September 30, 2019 Author Share Posted September 30, 2019 Just now, aceinthehouse said: Then how do you explain coach Gibbs 2.0 taking us to 2 playoff appearances in 4 seasons, winning a playoff game. Under Dan Snyder & Bruce Allen? Well first, Bruce Allen was not GM when Gibbs was here. Also Gibbs pushed Vinny Cerrato out when he was here too. Gibbs was basically coach/GM. Also, is that the mediocrity we're striving for? 1 playoff win? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 1 minute ago, MKnight82 said: Well first, Bruce Allen was not GM when Gibbs was here. Also Gibbs pushed Vinny Cerrato out when he was here too. Gibbs was basically coach/GM. Also, is that the mediocrity we're striving for? 1 playoff win? Also Snyder respected Gibbs witch lead him allowing Gibbs to run the show his way. Other coaches haven't really had that option IMO. Shanahan was close but if Dan is the one who pushed Mike to get Griffin, that says who really had last say so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceinthehouse Posted September 30, 2019 Share Posted September 30, 2019 I'm not saying that Bruce & Dan are not a problem. I understand the vitriol for both. But everyone seems to think that if we had a new GM, all our problems would go away. And I don't agree... I think Bruce is a problem But I just think Jay is a bigger problem. I think a great coach, could put his stamp on the team & have success, even with Bruce here. We just don't have that coach, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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