Ragnarok Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, SirA1 said: They have been good since last postseason but thanks for trying. Gilmore has been excellent. Devin McCourty is also very good. Jason is the far lesser twin, so Golladay or Fuller wouldn't even be challenged. And Jones can't even keep the 3rd best Skins WR from catching passes...Godwin will have a field day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) I mean this is not a BDL starting secondary. CB - Gareon Conley (16 of 23 targets allowed)CB - Byron Murphy (20 of 31 targets allowed and warming a spot for PP).S - Lamarcus Joyner (24 of 31 targets allowed and only a starter because Abrams went down.)S - Juan Thornhill (3 of 4 targets allowed, and your best DB) You planned to stop the run and cover deep with 2 Safeties and I attacked the middle/seam with TE's. Thanks. Edited October 8, 2019 by SirA1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 25 minutes ago, SirA1 said: I mean this is not a BDL starting secondary. CB - Gareon Conley (16 of 23 targets allowed)CB - Byron Murphy (20 of 31 targets allowed and warming a spot for PP).S - Lamarcus Joyner (24 of 31 targets allowed and only a starter because Abrams went down.)S - Juan Thornhill (3 of 4 targets allowed, and your best DB) You planned to stop the run and cover deep with 2 Safeties and I attacked the middle/seam with TE's. Thanks. Oh, making up stats now? How quaint. Let's get footsy in here. Byron will start across from PP. Joyner was the starting NB for the Raiders and they move him back and forth because he can play both. Thornhill has been very good in coverage. Not the best in run support. You wont be able to run the ball, Tremaine will shut down one TE, and Rashaan takes whichever of the RB or TE you dont keep in to block. It's not like Rashaan is just gonna stand there. Tremaine can shut down either TE. Rashaan can shut down dead weight Jimmy and limit Waller plenty enough for us to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Shouldnt all these stats be added to gameplans if you want them to be considered? Isnt the gameplan your opportunity to influence voting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, wwhickok said: Shouldnt all these stats be added to gameplans if you want them to be considered? Isnt the gameplan your opportunity to influence voting? Ok, we are weird this way. Including stats in the actual gameplan tends to be frowned upon cause we generally have a solid idea of how good players are and it makes gameplans forever long and tedious. But it's fair game during mid-week banter because we find it fun. And hey, you can influence voting up until votes are cast. But overdoing it can come across as desperate. Edit - Especially when it's a couple of us who have been in the league forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ragnarok said: Oh, making up stats now? How quaint. Let's get footsy in here. Nope. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sorry your secondary is only average at best. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/gareon-conley/11779 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/byron-murphy/44027 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/lamarcus-joyner/8676 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/juan-thornhill/50426 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/damontae-kazee/11904 Edited October 8, 2019 by SirA1 Added Kazee since he is also someone you trot out in coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, SirA1 said: Nope. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not true. I'm sorry your secondary is only average at best. https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/gareon-conley/11779 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/byron-murphy/44027 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/lamarcus-joyner/8676 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/juan-thornhill/50426 Ah yes, PFF stats with no actual knowledge or context behind them. For instance, I could go look at PFF and see that your boy Jones didn't stop a single Skins WR from catching the ball last weekend as you already stated. For instance, how many of those completions were in 3rd down and long where they play a soft zone to come up and tackle? How many were a quick pass where they made the tackle immediately for a minimal gain? How many times did PFF decide one player was at fault when it was really another who screwed up(maybe safety failing to get over the top)? Or where the pass rush gave the QB 6 seconds to throw? Random numbers with no explanation or context mean nothing. And you know that, but you're desperate so....I understand. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whicker Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, wwhickok said: Shouldnt all these stats be added to gameplans if you want them to be considered? Isnt the gameplan your opportunity to influence voting? Don’t put stats in your plan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Whicker said: Don’t put stats in your plan I wasnt planning to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whicker Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Ragnarok said: Ah yes, PFF stats with no actual knowledge or context behind them. For instance, I could go look at PFF and see that your boy Jones didn't stop a single Skins WR from catching the ball last weekend as you already stated. For instance, how many of those completions were in 3rd down and long where they play a soft zone to come up and tackle? How many were a quick pass where they made the tackle immediately for a minimal gain? How many times did PFF decide one player was at fault when it was really another who screwed up(maybe safety failing to get over the top)? Or where the pass rush gave the QB 6 seconds to throw? Random numbers with no explanation or context mean nothing. And you know that, but you're desperate so....I understand. Can’t we say this about basically any DB? Marcus Peters hasn’t given up **** this season. Watch that play against Mike Evans. He clearly thought he was going to have safety help. PFF and Rotoworld and anyone else who credited him with 2/70/1 is WRONG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whicker Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Tre White is a true lockdown corner. If he had been graded correctly he’d have 0/0/0 for the season. It’s all someone else’s fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Whicker said: Can’t we say this about basically any DB? Marcus Peters hasn’t given up **** this season. Watch that play against Mike Evans. He clearly thought he was going to have safety help. PFF and Rotoworld and anyone else who credited him with 2/70/1 is WRONG Yeah...dumb trade on my part...smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, Whicker said: Can’t we say this about basically any DB? Marcus Peters hasn’t given up **** this season. Watch that play against Mike Evans. He clearly thought he was going to have safety help. PFF and Rotoworld and anyone else who credited him with 2/70/1 is WRONG If you cut out any explanation, yes. But the difference is a description of what happened. You didn't just copy-paste a couple links with minimal info and zero explanation. I'm not saying none of my guys have given up a catch, but there is literally nothing given with those numbers to give any context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 9 hours ago, Whicker said: Can’t we say this about basically any DB? Marcus Peters hasn’t given up **** this season. Watch that play against Mike Evans. He clearly thought he was going to have safety help. PFF and Rotoworld and anyone else who credited him with 2/70/1 is WRONG He did get smoked by Metcalf Thursday night though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 10 hours ago, Whicker said: Can’t we say this about basically any DB? Marcus Peters hasn’t given up **** this season. Watch that play against Mike Evans. He clearly thought he was going to have safety help. PFF and Rotoworld and anyone else who credited him with 2/70/1 is WRONG But what if Peters had the play wrong. Wouldn't that still make it his fault? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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