Vikes_Bolts1228 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, SemperFeist said: When will we be able to depend on them to get a stop at a crucial time? This isn’t about how many points they gave up through the whole game. It’s about getting a stop when it’s needed most. And this defense has continuously failed to get those crucial stops in the last 2 seasons. Even generating turnovers. I get it....Harris had that ball thrown right to him from Haskins but there's just not a player on this team that I look at and say "OK, make a play. Go get that ball." Everyone is so fundamentally sound to a fault that there's zero effort in going for the pick or strip. The last truly clutch turnover we had (as far as I remember) was Waynes picking off Rodgers during the first game at US Bank Stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 27 minutes ago, gopherwrestler said: After he scores more than 23 points against a weak defense when we need the points against a high powered offense. Why is it him, and not the LG and coaches? The defense of the Vikings was mediocre, against a backup QB again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 People can try and hold Cousins accountable for something that he’s clearly not, and has never shown to be all they want. But this defense is supposed to be a top tier unit. It’s supposed to be the foundation on which this team is built. So, where are they in the big moment? Where are they when the game is on the line? Where are they when the team needs a big play? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, SemperFeist said: People can try and hold Cousins accountable for something that he’s clearly not, and has never shown to be all they want. But this defense is supposed to be a top tier unit. It’s supposed to be the foundation on which this team is built. So, where are they in the big moment? Where are they when the game is on the line? Where are they when the team needs a big play? Not showing up. Zimmer isn't as much a genius when Spielman starts investing high picks on offense instead of defense..... Which has been my point the whole time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Why does it have to one or the other and not all of them? There were a couple of key moments on both side of the ball that shifted things for KC. Cousins, Zimmer, the Secondary, Stefanski, Elflein all had bad moments that were too difficult to overcome in the end. This was just a bad team loss. One that they really should have had going away. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 and why in the hell did we give Barr all that money to continuously be out of place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, twslhs20 said: and why in the hell did we give Barr all that money to continuously be out of place? He’s been really good most of this year. Why does it always come back to the money? That’s how much linebackers get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Just now, JDBrocks said: He’s been really good most of this year. Why does it always come back to the money? That’s how much linebackers get paid. Or, and hear me out, you don't over pay with Oline problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, twslhs20 said: Or, and hear me out, you don't over pay with Oline problems So, instead you would have overpaid for o-line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 minute ago, SemperFeist said: So, instead you would have overpaid for o-line? If I'm picking our weakest position, sure, why not. We already overpaid at QB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 13 minutes ago, JDBrocks said: Why does it have to one or the other and not all of them? There were a couple of key moments on both side of the ball that shifted things for KC. Cousins, Zimmer, the Secondary, Stefanski, Elflein all had bad moments that were too difficult to overcome in the end. This was just a bad team loss. One that they really should have had going away. I'm with you, but people all over this board blame Cousins for every loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakish Mind Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 It might have been brought up during the game, but why was the play that their defense had 12 players on the field stopped. It seems like if your name is Aaron Rodgers, they allow the play to continue and give him a free play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torchezim Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Cousins overthrew Diggs a couple times but I can’t blame this loss on him. I give that credit to the defense and coaching. Really feeling ready to move on from Zimmer. He’s a pretty good coach capable of building a decent team, but not an elite one. The Keenum year was fun but that isn’t happening again. Keep defending him until he’s fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 Positives: Odenigbo had a pretty good game, and Mack Alexander is earning himself an extension. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I'm with you, but people all over this board blame Cousins for every loss. He is the QB so that will happen. I wouldn't blame him for this loss, but he did have a terrible day and that was a major contributing factor in this loss. But I agree that it is not an either/or. It is a both/and with regards to OL, QB, defense, and coaching. Pat Elflein has been so bad for so long that it no longer makes sense to blame him for being terrible. That is a coaching and general manager thing by this point. It seems likely that the coaches keep trotting him out there because the general manager hasn't given them a better alternative. Cousins had a pretty bad game, but overall he is fine. I am not worried about it. Anthony Harris also had a bad game, but overall he is fine too. I am not too worried about that either. The play calling left something to be desired, but I haven't lost faith in the play caller. Stefanski is still in his first year calling plays and has overall done a good job. He had a bad day. It looked like he didn't know how to adjust to some of the limitations based on the things the Chiefs were doing to the offense. He'll look at it and learn. Lets keep in mind that all the players we are not complaining about had pretty good games. The team overall still looks pretty good even if it has a flaw or two that will likely be fatal to their chances this year. Late Add: Full disclosure: I didn't see the last offensive drive of the Chiefs. I didn't watched the entire game up until the throw for negative seven yards. It was third and 17 at that point with just over two minutes to go. I can't comment on how the defense gacked the game away after that but I understand our punter shanked the punt leaving the defense in a tough situation. I can add the punter to the list of people that had a bad day that I am not overall too worried about. The punter was having a good enough day on all the punts that I watched. Edited November 4, 2019 by Cearbhall Late Add Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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