11sanchez11 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 GOAT question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, ChazStandard said: I honestly don't understand why people are criticising Garrett for kicking that FG. It was a 7 point game, if they go for it and don't get it the Pats have all the momentum, and even if you get lucky with a fumble or pick TD, it's a tie game and you're handing the ball back to Brady with about 3 minutes to go. Kicking the the FG achieves two things - firstly it rewards your offense for a good drive, keeping moral up. Second, it puts pressure on the Pats to at least do something on offense. A 7 point lead the Patriots know they're have a margin for error, a 4 point lead means they're a mistake away away from being behind. Let's not forget, the plan worked. The Cowboys got the ball back with plenty of time, and were driving for the winning TD. If Cooper had caught that 4th down pass we might be talking about the Cowboys pulling the upset. The problem wasn’t ever going to be getting the ball back, it was can you march down the field 60+ yards against this defense a second time They hadn’t really moved the ball all day Chances or getting two yards on one play > chances of getting 60+ yards against the Pats defense on the next drive Tbh I think Garret just said I don’t want to go to OT against Brady and this defense in Gillette. Which I get but he gave up an opportunity to stay in the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 31 minutes ago, mission27 said: The problem wasn’t ever going to be getting the ball back, it was can you march down the field 60+ yards against this defense a second time They hadn’t really moved the ball all day Chances or getting two yards on one play > chances of getting 60+ yards against the Pats defense on the next drive Tbh I think Garret just said I don’t want to go to OT against Brady and this defense in Gillette. Which I get but he gave up an opportunity to stay in the game I would agree with that if it was 4th and goal from the 1 or something. But it there was no guanrantee they get the TD converting that 4th down, they have had to kick a FG anyway. At the end of the day, they were always going to have to score twice to win the game, and so JG took a chance to score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 No quarterback who has ever been in the discussion for GOAT has ever gotten there with lousy coaching. Every one of them have had good coaches and that has helped them win and excel on the field. Even Brady wouldn't have been able to do much with The Clapper as his coach. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, childofpudding said: If Donald Trump was born a poor Aborigine in the Australian outback, would he have become President of the United States of America?!? ANSWER ME THAT No. You have to be a natural born citizen to be elected president. Are you trying to say that The Clapper or Tom Brady were brought up as a poor Aboritine in the Australian outback? Edited November 25, 2019 by Uncle Buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Smithers Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, CP3MVP said: Jason Garret(and other coaches) has been successful with worse QBs so they would dominate with Tom Brady. So yeahhh He has, what worse QBs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Hard to say. Aaron Rodgers had Mike McCarthy for most of his career and is still respected as one of the greats, and I think the same would be true for Brady even if he'd been saddled with The Clapper. Brady would still carry off a Super Bowl or two in spite of the coaching, and Garrett would be one of the least-respected head coaches to ever win a ring. Kind of like how Brad Childress would have been remembered if the '09 Vikings went all the way; a guy who didn't inspire anybody or contribute anything special, but was just in the right place at the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 hours ago, Elky said: I'm not entirely sure what Peyton/Indy has to do with anything, but the narrative that Peyton consistently had to work with poor defenses in Indy and Brady always had a good defense is actually a myth. Let's do some fact checking: 2002: Indy 8th NE 23rd 2003: Indy 11th NE 7th 2004: Indy 29th NE 9th 2005: Indy 11th NE 26th 2006: Indy 21st NE 6th - NOTE: Indy's defense was THE reason they won Super Bowl XLI! 2007: Indy 3rd NE 4th 2008: Indy 22nd NE 23rd 2009: Indy 18th NE 11th 2010: Indy 20th NE 25th Indy's defense outranked us 4/9 times, so it's basically a 50/50 split. Brady has played with some pretty awful defenses too. I would recommend doing some research BEFORE you make a claim. The Pat's are known for the defenses that led them to their SB victories. I figured any Pat's fan would know that considering BB is known as a defensive master mind that perfected his bend but dont break defense. Richard Seymour, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, I can roll off dozens of names off the top of my head that the Pat's defense has produced with successful results. Because that is the biggest factor that their known for, not their offenses. Besides Brady, Gronk, Moss, and maybe Edelman, most of their other names are pretty forgettable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Kip Smithers said: He has, what worse QBs? None. He ruined the career of a great QB with Romo. Well him and Jerry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mission27 said: The problem wasn’t ever going to be getting the ball back, it was can you march down the field 60+ yards against this defense a second time They hadn’t really moved the ball all day Chances or getting two yards on one play > chances of getting 60+ yards against the Pats defense on the next drive Tbh I think Garret just said I don’t want to go to OT against Brady and this defense in Gillette. Which I get but he gave up an opportunity to stay in the game Pretty much this. I mean if you dont have confidence in your offense to go for it inside the 20 then how are you gonna have it for them to go over 60? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: The Pat's are known for the defenses that led them to their SB victories. I figured any Pat's fan would know that considering BB is known as a defensive master mind that perfected his bend but dont break defense. Richard Seymour, Ty Law, Asante Samuel, Vince Wilfork, Teddy Bruschi, Rodney Harrison, I can roll off dozens of names off the top of my head that the Pat's defense has produced with successful results. Because that is the biggest factor that their known for, not their offenses. Besides Brady, Gronk, Moss, and maybe Edelman, most of their other names are pretty forgettable. Yes, we had great defenses during our 1st 3 Super Bowls. However, from 05-13ish we went through a defensive dark ages where crappy quarterbacks would look like Joe Montana and easily convert 3rd and longs. Edited November 25, 2019 by Elky 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Elky said: Yes, we had great defenses during our 1st three Super Bowls. However, from 05-13ish we went through a defensive dark ages where crappy quarterbacks would look like Joe Montana and easily convert 3rd and longs. 8 years with defenses that were if anything good to great. I cant think of a time where the Pat's had a poor defense in the BB era unless they were riddled with injuries. Maybe you can correct me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elky Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: 8 years with defenses that were if anything good to great. I cant think of a time where the Pat's had a poor defense in the BB era unless they were riddled with injuries. Maybe you can correct me on that. The 2011 squad was the worst defense to ever reach the Super Bowl. We generated a lot of turnovers, yes, but good God almighty my grandmother's corpse could have thrown on us that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, Elky said: The 2011 squad was the worst defense to ever reach the Super Bowl. We generated a lot of turnovers, yes, but good God almighty my grandmother's corpse could have thrown on us that season. If this was the worst defense, I'll take this defense every day of the week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Elky said: a defensive dark ages where crappy quarterbacks would look like Joe Montana and easily convert 3rd and longs That's called a "redskins defense". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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