NCOUGHMAN Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: Obviously he wants to play with his friend from college, if that hurts other peoples feelings I dont know what to tell you. People call Carr soft . .. . If Crosby is upset about Carr wanting to play with Adams, I dont think anyone can call Carr the softest player on the team LOL It’s about principles and taking care of your home grown drafted talent first. Not being able to retain our true top talent has killed us. Stuff like this sets precedents and will have ripple effects similar to Khalil Mack. Or you probably think Mack is soft too. Maxx won’t cry about it lol he’ll just leave and get $ somewhere else just like Khalil did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 17 minutes ago, BayRaider said: All indications so far is like a 3-4M discount which is nothing when it comes to 40M. If he takes 36 instead of 40 thinking we are gonna get Adams, he’s a moron. If that was the case I would trade him to a team in California and let him lose that $4 of the top just paying state taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: It’s about principles and taking care of your home grown drafted talent first. Not being able to retain our true top talent has killed us. Stuff like this sets precedents and will have ripple effects similar to Khalil Mack. Or you probably think Mack is soft too. Maxx won’t cry about it lol he’ll just leave and get $ somewhere else just like Khalil did. “All along the way I was like ‘how do we keep my teammates?’” Carr said of his contract negotiations. “That’s what I kept telling [my agent]. I was like . . . ‘Is this good for Gabe [Jackson]? Is this good for Khalil [Mack]? Is this good for Amari [Cooper]? . . these are things that I said to him numerous amounts of times. I didn’t want to hurt our team.”https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/6/23/15864748/derek-carr-told-his-agent-to-structure-his-deal-so-raiders-could-re-sign-other-top-players Carr was told they would still have room for Mack. I honestly think Gruden wanted AB more. Not sure you can put that on Carr. Again, I am just going off what he has said. He said he wanted to keep Cooper Gabe and Mack together, exactly the point you are saying right now. Unfortunately Carr is the QB, not the GM. It is not up too him. You blaming him for Mack, again I think is your opinion of him as a QB tainting your view on him overall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, BackinBlack said: “All along the way I was like ‘how do we keep my teammates?’” Carr said of his contract negotiations. “That’s what I kept telling [my agent]. I was like . . . ‘Is this good for Gabe [Jackson]? Is this good for Khalil [Mack]? Is this good for Amari [Cooper]? . . these are things that I said to him numerous amounts of times. I didn’t want to hurt our team.”https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2017/6/23/15864748/derek-carr-told-his-agent-to-structure-his-deal-so-raiders-could-re-sign-other-top-players Carr was told they would still have room for Mack. I honestly think Gruden wanted AB more. Not sure you can put that on Carr. Again, I am just going off what he has said. He said he wanted to keep Cooper Gabe and Mack together, exactly the point you are saying right now. Unfortunately Carr is the QB, not the GM. It is not up too him. You blaming him for Mack, again I think is your opinion of him as a QB tainting your view on him overall Again It’s a free country if you think Carr’s contract had no effect on us not being able to sign Mack aye more power to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Again It’s a free country if you think Carr’s contract had no effect on us not being able to sign Mack aye more power to you. lol yeap your right we could afford AB Joyner and Brown but couldnt afford Mack. It had nothing to do with wanting more first round picks. It was 100% Carrs fault. It was lso Carrs fault we drafted ruggs, and Carr shouldve been there to pick ruggs up that niht too. He is the leader after all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCOUGHMAN Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: lol yeap your right we could afford AB Joyner and Brown but couldnt afford Mack. It had nothing to do with wanting more first round picks. It was 100% Carrs fault. It was lso Carrs fault we drafted ruggs, and Carr shouldve been there to pick ruggs up that niht too. He is the leader after all Think about it which of our drafted players did we give a 2nd contract to. Iirc -carr -gabe -kolt am i missing anyone woodson? Edited February 16, 2022 by NCOUGHMAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 minutes ago, NCOUGHMAN said: Think about it which of our drafted players did we give a 2nd contract to. Iirc -carr -gabe -kolt am i missing anyone woodson? LOL not to sure what you are trying to say here? Its Carrs fault we cant extend anyone? Honestly, the fact KC paid Frank Clark a 5 year 100 mil contract And Mahommes a 10 year 450 mil contract Shows you can pay both a QB and Rusher top tier money. Literally destroys your argument. They are paying Mahommes double what Carr made, and still could afford Clark. Our crappy roster management is not on Carr, but I know you believe it is all his fault. So lets call just call it here, no point talking about this more with you at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 1 hour ago, BayRaider said: 2012: Flacco, Rookie Contract. 2013: Wilson, Rookie Contract. 2014: Tom Brady, Discount. 2015: Peyton Manning, Restructured his contract to take a 25% discount specifically for this season. 2016: Tom Brady, Discount. 2017: Carson Wentz, Rookie Contract. Foles, Backup Money. 2018: Tom Brady, Discount. 2019: Patrick Mahomes, Rookie Contract. 2020: Tom Brady, Discount. 2021: Matt Stafford breaks the norm, but Rams went completely “All In” like a Baseball team. After next season, their window will be closed for a long time. I don’t everrrr wanna hear the salary cap doesn’t matter when it comes to QB’s. Right. Nobody seems to notice this. Paying a QB a top tier contract who can’t carry your team is a disaster waiting to happen in this era We are literally replaying 2016 over again 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 54 minutes ago, BackinBlack said: LOL not to sure what you are trying to say here? Its Carrs fault we cant extend anyone? Honestly, the fact KC paid Frank Clark a 5 year 100 mil contract And Mahommes a 10 year 450 mil contract Shows you can pay both a QB and Rusher top tier money. Literally destroys your argument. They are paying Mahommes double what Carr made, and still could afford Clark. Our crappy roster management is not on Carr, but I know you believe it is all his fault. So lets call just call it here, no point talking about this more with you at this point. Difference is Mahomes can win 3-4 games in a given season based on his talent alone. Same with Josh Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 3 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said: So why pay carr 40 mill if he’s not doing 40mill worth of work to get us wins. While you have guys like maxx who are undeniably doing 30-40 mill worth of work to help us win. That’s a spit in the face to guys like maxx. You could literally replace carr with Mac Jones and get the same production for a bargain can’t say the same about maxx Did you just say Maxx is "undeniably" worth 30-40 million a year?? Holy **** dude lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Did you just say Maxx is "undeniably" worth 30-40 million a year?? Holy **** dude lol You do realize the Top Two Edge Rushers Watt and Bosa make 28 and 27M a year respectively right? The next EDGE player to get paid will get paid 29-30M per season. The next EDGE player to get paid is Crosby as he’s entering his final year. His payday will likely be 29 or 30. And Crosby is in the same class as Watt, Bosa, etc. He led the NFL in pressures, and was Top 5 last year if I remember correctly. Saying Carr deserves 40M is way more absurd than saying Crosby deserves 30M. Carr is no where close to the level of Mahomes and Allen. While Crosby is right there with the Top EDGE Rushers. Edited February 17, 2022 by BayRaider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Clowns on here have been wanting to move on from Carr for years for a 2nd round pick. Just like I have said for years those fans are about as clueless as they come and have no idea what value is. Not a clue! JM, one of the bright young minds in the NFL not only signs on here to coach with Carr as his QB but he and Ziegler immediately extend Carr to an extension for around 40 million per season. I blows my mind that some fans on here are so out out of touch with reality, that is unless they think they're right and both JM and Ziegler are completely incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 58 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Difference is Mahomes can win 3-4 games in a given season based on his talent alone. Same with Josh Allen 100%. . . literally has nothing to do with wht i was saying. I was saying we could have afforded mack with Carrs contract . . . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 21 minutes ago, BayRaider said: You do realize the Top Two Edge Rushers Watt and Bosa make 28 and 27M a year respectively right? The next EDGE player to get paid will get paid 29-30M per season. The next EDGE player to get paid is Crosby as he’s entering his final year. His payday will likely be 29 or 30. And Crosby is in the same class as Watt, Bosa, etc. He led the NFL in pressures, and was Top 5 last year if I remember correctly. Saying Carr deserves 40M is way more absurd than saying Crosby deserves 30M. Carr is no where close to the level of Mahomes and Allen. While Crosby is right there with the Top EDGE Rushers. So you’re still saying Tua is elite, Carr is worth a 2nd rounder on the open market and JM, Ziegler have no clue what they’re doing? Hahaha unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 There is no chance in hell the Raiders wrap 95-100M in cap space in 3 players. If Carr is advocating for Adams, he must not give a flying **** is Crosby stays or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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