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24 minutes ago, Scalamania said:
3 hours ago, Jeezla said:

Yea, it's ruined tyreek hills ability to make big plays. 

I know the point you're trying to make but this is a terrible way to try to make it. 

It would only be terrible if my point wasn't made, so it was a successful way of putting it. Saying a WR will make less big plays from the slot is silly. The reason Tyreek plays slot is so he can get more free releases and make more big plays than he would as an outside WR. And it's not like Terrace Marshall would have to stay in the slot, he would start outside in 2 WR sets, then move to slot in 3/4 Wr sets, ala Tyler Boyd and Calvin Ridley.

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3 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

It would only be terrible if my point wasn't made, so it was a successful way of putting it. Saying a WR will make less big plays from the slot is silly. The reason Tyreek plays slot is so he can get more free releases and make more big plays than he would as an outside WR. And it's not like Terrace Marshall would have to stay in the slot, he would start outside in 2 WR sets, then move to slot in 3/4 Wr sets, ala Tyler Boyd and Calvin Ridley.

It was terrible - let's take the most extreme example possible and try to use to validate my thoughts/opinions. 

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5 minutes ago, Scalamania said:

It was terrible - let's take the most extreme example possible and try to use to validate my thoughts/opinions. 

Terrace Marshall Jr would have more explosive plays from the slot than he would outside. Just like Tyreek. Just like Tyler Boyd. Just like Clavin Ridley.  Just like Chris Godwin. Just like Brandon Aiyuk. Just like Ju Ju. Just like Curtis Ssamuel. Just like Rondale and Elijah Moore. Is that better? Use everyone as an example? 
Also, I didn't try to use it. I did use it.

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Just now, Jeezla said:

Terrace Marshall Jr would have more explosive plays from the slot than he would outside. Just like Tyreek. Just like Tyler Boyd. Just like Clavin Ridley.  Just like Chris Godwin. Just like Brandon Aiyuk. Just like Ju Ju. Just like Curtis Ssamuel. Just like Rondale and Elijah Moore. Is that better? Use everyone as an example?

You compared to two totally different WRs to one another - by your logic JJAW should have more explosive plays from the slot, strictly because he's in the slot - not account for his lack of ability and not taking into consideration Tyreke's ability. 

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6 minutes ago, Scalamania said:

You compared to two totally different WRs to one another - by your logic JJAW should have more explosive plays from the slot, strictly because he's in the slot - not account for his lack of ability and not taking into consideration Tyreke's ability. 

So you think Tyreek would be just as good/same stats if he only lined up outside?
J Matt should have been a 900 yard outside WR? it was just bad QB play?

JJAW isn't an NFL caliber WR. I think any talented WR will put up better stats in the slot.

Doesn't matter what size/archetype the wr is or what their skills are. It's easier to get a release from the slot, period.

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7 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

So you think Tyreek would be just as good/same stats if he only lined up outside?

I do - I think he's explosive from all over the field.

In 2018 he played less the 50% of his snaps in the slot and had his best year to date. 

I like Marshall and I think he'll do well all over the field but using Hill as the example was just terrible and I'll leave it there. 

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J Matt should have been a 900 yard outside WR? it was just bad QB play?

J Matt had exactly 0 explosive plays throughout his career. 

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8 minutes ago, Scalamania said:

I do - I think he's explosive from all over the field.

In 2018 he played less the 50% of his snaps in the slot and had his best year to date. 

I like Marshall and I think he'll do well all over the field but using Hill as the example was just terrible and I'll leave it there. 

But most of his big plays were coming from the slot. 

You are way too fixated on height. Doesn't matter what size or skills the WR has, slot wr's get free releases 80% of the time, and free releases mean more big plays/getting open in general. Pretty simple. Do you want Tyreek/Terrace Marshall/Tyler Boyd/Ju Ju covered by Darius Slay outside? Or do you want him in slot against Avonte Maddox? Which is more likely to result in a big play?

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1-12 Traded to NYJ for 1-23 and NYJ '22 1st (We now have Our own '22 1st, MIA '22 1st, NYJ '22 1st, and IND 1st or 2nd)
Ertz and '22 6th Traded to CLE for 4-110
4-123, 5-150, and 6-189 to HOU for 4-109

1-23 Terrace Marshall Jr WR 
2-37 Traded to CHI for Allen Robinson WR (Might have to sweeten the deal a bit. '22 4th?)
3-70 Kelvin Joseph CB 
3-84 Payton Turner DE
4-109 James Wiggins SS
4-110 Elerson Smith DE
6-224 Landon Young OT
6-225 Buddy Johnson LB
7-234 Brandin Echols CB
7-240 Tyler Coyle S

Who would hate it?

A-Rob-----TM Jr-----Goedert-----Reagor
Fulgham/Quez as the backups. Hightower as the emergency #6 WR.

Next year we have potentially four 1st round picks to find a QB to throw to them, and draft Derek Stingley Jr. At worst, we have three 1sts and two 2nds.

 

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6 hours ago, Jeezla said:

Wouldn't it be easier for him to make big plays by getting a free release from the slot?

Down the field, not really. He's a guy who can get down the field and make plays over the top. He's not a guy who wins with short area quickness. He's a big body in the red zone. I think he's wasted as a chain mover, which is what he would be relegated to in the slot, IMO.

6 hours ago, Scalamania said:

I know the point you're trying to make but this is a terrible way to try to make it. 

Agreed.

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5 hours ago, Jeezla said:

But most of his big plays were coming from the slot. 

You are way too fixated on height. Doesn't matter what size or skills the WR has, slot wr's get free releases 80% of the time, and free releases mean more big plays/getting open in general. Pretty simple. Do you want Tyreek/Terrace Marshall/Tyler Boyd/Ju Ju covered by Darius Slay outside? Or do you want him in slot against Avonte Maddox? Which is more likely to result in a big play?

If every guy in the slot is Maddox and every outside guy is Slay, then sure. 

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44 minutes ago, Jlash said:

Down the field, not really. He's a guy who can get down the field and make plays over the top. He's not a guy who wins with short area quickness. He's a big body in the red zone. I think he's wasted as a chain mover, which is what he would be relegated to in the slot, IMO.

Agreed.

Is that what Calvin Ridley is? Is that what Ju Ju is? Is that what Ceedee is? Aiyuk? Chain movers?
They are only wasted there if our OC doesn't do anything with them.

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20 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

Do most teams cover the slot with their best CB?

Are most people's slot corner as bad as Maddox? That's my question. You're assuming people in the slot are automatic gimme's. This isn't little league baseball where the bum gets sent to right field. 

16 minutes ago, Jeezla said:

Is that what Calvin Ridley is? Is that what Ju Ju is? Is that what Ceedee is? Aiyuk? Chain movers?
They are only wasted there if our OC doesn't do anything with them.

All guys who rely more on short area quickness than flat out size and speed. You're only proving my point. Marshall is a big body with good straight line speed but he isn't just beating anyone short area. He's a lot like fellow LSU alum DJ Chark. 

Juju 4.5+ 40

Ceedee 4.5 40

Aiyuk 4.5+ 40

But all excel in short area quickness. It's just not Marshall's game. Love him as a player, but love him on the outside getting down the field. 

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36 minutes ago, Jlash said:

Are most people's slot corner as bad as Maddox? That's my question. You're assuming people in the slot are automatic gimme's. This isn't little league baseball where the bum gets sent to right field. 

All guys who rely more on short area quickness than flat out size and speed. You're only proving my point. Marshall is a big body with good straight line speed but he isn't just beating anyone short area. He's a lot like fellow LSU alum DJ Chark. 

Juju 4.5+ 40

Ceedee 4.5 40

Aiyuk 4.5+ 40

But all excel in short area quickness. It's just not Marshall's game. Love him as a player, but love him on the outside getting down the field. 

Where did I do that? I'm assuming people in the slot have an easier time, but nothing is a gimme.

marshall is kinda tall, but he's not a "big body". He's like the same weight as Maclin. I completely disagree with you about TM Jr being able to beat people in the short area, and I don't see the Chark comp at all besides size and 40 yard dash.

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