Kiwibrown Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 2 hours ago, Thomas5737 said: There is no mathematical way to determine the award but we can see who outperformed the most before accounting for the variables. Ravens went 4.5 wins over projected, that's tops. Texans went 3.5 over. Browns/Cowboys/Buccaneers/Lions/Rams/Colts were all 2.5 over win projection. Since this is a regular season award I think the Browns should take it from the last group. Other teams had injury issues too, but the Browns had to reach into more bags whether injury related or just bad roster management at the QB position, just to field a decent player. So Harbaugh/Ryans/Stefanski would probably be my top 3. I personally think doing what the Texans did with a rookie QB and an often injured WR room is more impressive than a pretty healthy Raven team who was great defensively and good enough on offense. That leaves us with Stefanski and Ryans. It's really just what you value more. Browns losing "star" players like Chubb/Watson/Conklin... Or the Texans who didn't lose any stars but didn't really have any star players to lose. Dell was certainly becoming one before he was injured. Even with the injuries the Browns had the better roster minus QB. I dunno, I wouldn't have an issue either way. I wasn't adamant that any of our guys should have won an award outside of Flacco. Also none of this changes that we lost our last game of the year poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 minute ago, Kiwibrown said: I wasn't adamant that any of our guys should have won an award outside of Flacco. Also none of this changes that we lost our last game of the year poorly. It doesn't, but it was a good season. Not great, not what we want, but respectable. There wasn't an obvious MVP (voting looks like it but...) There wasn't an obvious DPOY (Not even Garrett's best season) There wasn't an obvious CPOY (Flacco was fun, but nothing crazy as far as what he did) McCaffrey was pretty obvious for OPOY although Lamb and Hill were at least close. Hard to argue with Schwartz as assistant coach of the year. Stroud earned the rookie award although Puka would have been a great winner in any random year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDD Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 How was this not a great year? This team didn’t fold like most teams. Not one team in the championship games had a Backup QB playing. This was the 2nd best season we have had since coming back. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 13 hours ago, JDD said: How was this not a great year? This team didn’t fold like most teams. Not one team in the championship games had a Backup QB playing. This was the 2nd best season we have had since coming back. If this was 10 years ago it would have been great. If going into last season would anyone agree that being a wildcard team that lost in the first round be a great result? We just have higher expectations because of the talent. It was greatly difficult. Mostly because of the QB position and the loss of Chubb. There were great moments. Great wins. Overall result was just good imo. I'm not sure even beating the Texans in the playoffs would have made it great. I think we need at least an AFCCG and with the clock ticking maybe even a trip to the SB. We're going to start having to make sacrifices with payroll, not be able to resign some people we would like and not being able to make real free agent splashes with the QB counting for 63 million for the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Bottom line this team is going to go as far as the health/predator take them. We had a crazy amount of injury last season. Next season, if we can at least have average health for an NFL team and get solid quarterback play, sky is the limit. The leshaun thing is just such an unknown part in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 9 minutes ago, Thomas5737 said: If this was 10 years ago it would have been great. If going into last season would anyone agree that being a wildcard team that lost in the first round be a great result? We just have higher expectations because of the talent. It was greatly difficult. Mostly because of the QB position and the loss of Chubb. There were great moments. Great wins. Overall result was just good imo. I'm not sure even beating the Texans in the playoffs would have made it great. I think we need at least an AFCCG and with the clock ticking maybe even a trip to the SB. We're going to start having to make sacrifices with payroll, not be able to resign some people we would like and not being able to make real free agent splashes with the QB counting for 63 million for the next few years. I mean, considering we had two disappointing seasons after making the playoffs in 2020, then yeah I'd say most of us would have been content with that even if we were largely healthy. Not saying we would have been ecstatic, but content. The fact that we won 11 games with the injuries we had is a tremendous success. Sure, getting our butts kicked in the WC round of the playoffs leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but it still doesn't change the fact that we had a very good season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas5737 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 37 minutes ago, DawgX said: still doesn't change the fact that we had a very good season. I'm fine with any variation of good. I just don't think the end result was great. That's the goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kiwibrown Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 14 minutes ago, Dawgpoun8017 said: Sure as heck better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Guess we'll have to wait at least one more year for Mike as GM and Mike Lombardi as HC. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, DawgX said: Guess we'll have to wait at least one more year for Mike as GM and Mike Lombardi as HC. Genius , dushbag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, DawgX said: Guess we'll have to wait at least one more year for Mike as GM and Mike Lombardi as HC. mice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Rumor is we could lose Tommy Reese to be UCLA HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 https://www.espn.com/espn/betting/story/_/id/39504923/nfl-betting-early-odds-win-super-bowl-2025 We are in early as the 16th best odds for a championship next season. IMO that’s low. I think we are probably somewhere in the 8-12 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawgpoun8017 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 Reese not leaving for UCLA 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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