Thomas5737 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 14 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: from Berry’s perspective I don’t see talent being the issue as much as scheme as it relates to Watson. Well we have the same HC/scheme as when he (presumably) decided to trade for Watson. So if he made a bad fit trade he gets some blame. Schemes should be adjusted to fit players but that's a different topic. 16 minutes ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I still don’t get the hate for Berry. This guys sums up what he’s done with the roster pretty well imo. Not even MWil trusts that guy's opinions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Thomas5737 said: Well we have the same HC/scheme as when he (presumably) decided to trade for Watson. So if he made a bad fit trade he gets some blame. Schemes should be adjusted to fit players but that's a different topic. that’s a fair criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 (edited) 2 hours ago, MWil23 said: Aside from trading for Cooper and drafting DeWand Jones, what credit should he get for those pieces in place? And maybe Jeudy and Moore will prove me wrong but those still seem lacking on the draft capital (Moore) and money spent (Jeudy) for the production attained so far. Other than Myles and Denzel, Berry is responsible for every starter on defense. So that’s JOK, Delpit, Emerson, Tomlinson, and some solid role pieces. He’s struggled with the offensive side of the ball (exceptions being Amari Cooper and Dawand Jones). Edited June 8 by candyman93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, candyman93 said: Other than Myles and Denzel, Berry is responsible for every starter on defense. So that’s JOK, Delpit, Emerson, Tomlinson, and some solid role pieces. He’s struggled with the offensive side of the ball (exceptions being Amari Cooper and Dawand Jones). I guess that’s my point. JOK, Delpit, and Emerson were all solid picks and Cooper was traded for to go with DeWand Jones. The other defensive starters are pretty mediocre (not including Myles and Denzel), including Tomlinson. But, that’s a byproduct of how much draft capital was mortgaged in the Watson trade. How much we are paying guys on offense relative to their production is truly mind blowing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 31 minutes ago, MWil23 said: I guess that’s my point. JOK, Delpit, and Emerson were all solid picks and Cooper was traded for to go with DeWand Jones. The other defensive starters are pretty mediocre (not including Myles and Denzel), including Tomlinson. But, that’s a byproduct of how much draft capital was mortgaged in the Watson trade. How much we are paying guys on offense relative to their production is truly mind blowing. Really? Strongly disagree. We have at worst average to good starters (and depth) at every defensive position minus LB. AB also brought in Conklin. It was a mistake to extend him, but he was a good signing at the time and is still a good player when healthy. Pocic was another great find. Berry obviously isn't perfect, but he's done more good than bad, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 minutes ago, DawgX said: Really? Strongly disagree. We have at worst average to good starters (and depth) at every defensive position minus LB. Thornhill is fine, our linebackers outside of JOK suck, the DT and edge opposite Myles are “fine” at best. 8 minutes ago, DawgX said: AB also brought in Conklin. It was a mistake to extend him, but he was a good signing at the time and is still a good player when healthy. Pocic was another great find. Berry obviously isn't perfect, but he's done more good than bad, IMO. Conklin’s contract is an anchor, the Watson situation is absolutely unforgivable to this point in time, the Cooper trade was superb, the Moore trade was a lousy move, and I hate the Jeudy deal. And IMO C like Pocic grow on trees when playing next to Bitonio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 hours ago, MWil23 said: Thornhill is fine, our linebackers outside of JOK suck, the DT and edge opposite Myles are “fine” at best. Conklin’s contract is an anchor, the Watson situation is absolutely unforgivable to this point in time, the Cooper trade was superb, the Moore trade was a lousy move, and I hate the Jeudy deal. And IMO C like Pocic grow on trees when playing next to Bitonio. Let’s think about dont sign Conklin get Trent Williams instead of Willis get Wirfs or ceedee lamb Keep mayfield plus 6picks now question due you really think that Jok and delpit ever win a super bowl some more questions due you think tyreek hill and ceedee lamb are good enough to beat kc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armbar Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 5 hours ago, mtmmike said: questions due you think tyreek hill and ceedee lamb Just those two playurs bye themselfs? yes they due. Popsicle stick garage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 It might not be next year, but I genuinely believe our defense can be an “all timer” in the next 1-2 years. The ONLY thing preventing that is a consistent #2 pass rusher who can get you 10+ sacks in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 11 hours ago, candyman93 said: It might not be next year, but I genuinely believe our defense can be an “all timer” in the next 1-2 years. The ONLY thing preventing that is a consistent #2 pass rusher who can get you 10+ sacks in a season. That’s kind of a big thing. The pass rush fell apart in the second half when Myles got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 49 minutes ago, sdrawkcab321 said: That’s kind of a big thing. The pass rush fell apart in the second half when Myles got hurt. Unfortunately you’re right Unless JOK was flying around, we had no consistent pressure. Alex Wright flashed a little bit, but he looks like a rotational guy long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 27 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Unfortunately you’re right Unless JOK was flying around, we had no consistent pressure. Alex Wright flashed a little bit, but he looks like a rotational guy long term. I mean, he had a sack in each of the last 4-5 games iirc. He’s still just 23. I don’t think we can definitively identify his ceiling just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Also, Myles injury overlapped with Obo’s injury which made getting pressure that much more difficult imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/8/2024 at 8:04 AM, Thomas5737 said: Well we have the same HC/scheme as when he (presumably) decided to trade for Watson. So if he made a bad fit trade he gets some blame. Schemes should be adjusted to fit players but that's a different topic. Not even MWil trusts that guy's opinions. Mice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armbar Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: I mean, he had a sack in each of the last 4-5 games iirc. He’s still just 23. I don’t think we can definitively identify his ceiling just yet. I loved him coming out. I think his ceiling is that of a Za’Darius Smith/JaDeveon Clowney. He’s not close to that now, but he’s very fluid and bendy for a dude at his size. I am 90% sure he can be a strong rotational player for years. I am 65% sure that he could be an average starting DE. 15% he could be a high end starter. 5% chance he is a star. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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