Deadpulse Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, tonyto36 said: Okay excuse me. "But Gilmore is pretty low on the list of problems on the D, right? Because giving up huge chunks of yards and blowing coverages repeatedly every game is a lot less of an issue than our LBs giving up 8 yard gains or DTs not getting interior pressure. Because if they did better there, that would for sure erase huge completions where they go half the field in one play". That was said before the Gilmore had his gaffe's, let's simmer down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlong Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Pats#1 said: I'm not saying they are going to be this terrible all season....but right now, they are horrible. I don't know how they're going to get better since Gilmore just straight up sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Pats#1 said: I'm not saying they are going to be this terrible all season....but right now, they are horrible. It's easier to teach a guy how to execute better and identify routes than it is to make him learn how to be faster and not get beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, everlong said: I don't know how they're going to get better since Gilmore just straight up sucks. He hasn't been very bad 1 v 1....seems his biggest problem is communication, which is coachable. Right now it's a huge problem though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pats#1 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, lancerman said: It's easier to teach a guy how to execute better and identify routes than it is to make him learn how to be faster and not get beat. I agree, but right now this defense hasn't seemed to be getting better at those teachable things, if anything they've looked worse. I'm hoping they flip a switch sometime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, everlong said: I don't know how they're going to get better since Gilmore just straight up sucks. Gilmore is a good player. A good player who is clearly not in sync with his teammates right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggbrd Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, everlong said: I don't know how they're going to get better since Gilmore just straight up sucks. I would assume they're going to make a fairly concerted effort to get the secondary on the same page. As everybody else has said, the talent is there, but the cohesion isn't at the moment. If it's still happening in the second half of the season, fair enough, maybe Gilmore or the rest of the secondary sucks, but for now, I think we need to give it a bit of time and trust in Bill + Matty P. They've been around a while and have earned the benefit of the doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Gillmore is better than Ryan, by pretty much every measurable. Except.....time and experience with Pat defenders and coaching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlong Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, mcmurtry86 said: Gilmore is a good player. A good player who is clearly not in sync with his teammates right now. Then why get rid of the guy that was in sync then??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, biggbrd said: I would assume they're going to make a fairly concerted effort to get the secondary on the same page. As everybody else has said, the talent is there, but the cohesion isn't at the moment. If it's still happening in the second half of the season, fair enough, maybe Gilmore of the rest of the secondary sucks, but for now, I think we need to give it a bit of time and trust in Bill + Matty P. They've been around a while and have earned the benefit of the doubt. Gilmore clearly doesn't suck and the coaching staff will get these guys playing better. Frustrating that it's taking so long but these guys have been in and out of the lineup. I think they all need to be healthy, in practice and on gameday to get in sync. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, everlong said: Then why get rid of the guy that was in sync then??? Because he's not as good of a player.... When Gilmore acclimated he's a net positive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I miss the 2011 defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just now, everlong said: Then why get rid of the guy that was in sync then??? They didn't "get rid" of Ryan. They decided that if they were going to pay a ton of money for a CB to go out and get a legitimate #1 CB. And while Gilmore has had his issues this year, he's a much better overall talent (notice, I didn't say fit, since that remains to be seen) than Ryan. Has everyone forgotten how much people used to dump on Logan Ryan? All the "OMG Rutgers reach bust stupid Belichick drafting" posts? He didn't just come in and play great ball from the get go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcmurtry86 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said: Gillmore is better than Ryan, by pretty much every measurable. Except.....time and experience with Pat defenders and coaching Ryan is better in run support. A bit more aggressive and reliable with his tackling. As a pass defender, Gilmore, when healthy and in sync, is a much more talented CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 A big stop or turnover would be really nice right here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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