seminoles1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: So you believe every FA is going to tie their decision to what KD does? No, but I believe every team had Durant as their #1 target, and that ultimately affects every other free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: No, but I believe every team had Durant as their #1 target, and that ultimately affects every other free agent. Well yes. But how many teams were realistically in the hunt for Durant aside from the Warriors? Two, maybe three? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: What bad blood? Kyrie didn't like the young guys acting like it was their team. You stay making ish up bro. So you think that Kyrie just woke up one morning and walked back his commitment to Boston on a whim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: So you think that Kyrie just woke up one morning and walked back his commitment to Boston on a whim? Kyrie is a super weird dude. Where has he shown bad blood towards the Celtics? Its a baseless claim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Well yes. But how many teams were realistically in the hunt for Durant aside from the Warriors? Two, maybe three? The only team that probably wouldn't wait for Durant is the Lakers. The Clippers, Knicks, and Nets are/were all in on Durant. You think any of those teams signs Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker, etc. if they think they have a shot at Durant? Kawhi is the only 1 who Durant doesn't affect. Edited June 11, 2019 by seminoles1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, MookieMonstah said: Kyrie is a super weird dude. Where has he shown bad blood towards the Celtics? Its a baseless claim. No, Kawhi is a weird dude. We went from Kyrie pretty much confirming he was re-signing with Boston early in the year, and when he was asked again during the middle of the season he was visibly agitated by the question. He absolutely had the ability to squash any discussion about him leaving Boston, and he chose not to. Then we heard about his reconciliation with LeBron and LOUD rumors about him going to Brooklyn. But you have your head in the sand if you didn't see the issues with the Celtics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, CWood21 said: No, Kawhi is a weird dude. We went from Kyrie pretty much confirming he was re-signing with Boston early in the year, and when he was asked again during the middle of the season he was visibly agitated by the question. He absolutely had the ability to squash any discussion about him leaving Boston, and he chose not to. Then we heard about his reconciliation with LeBron and LOUD rumors about him going to Brooklyn. But you have your head in the sand if you didn't see the issues with the Celtics. Kyrie is as weird as Kawhi, dude. He's a conspiracy theorist, thinks the Earth is flat, was getting super mad that the media kept saying he was staying or wasn't staying. He's a very weird dude. Kyrie has issues with the young guys on the team, thats very out in the air. Kyrie doesn't have bad blood with the Celtics organization. You have literally nothing to back this up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted June 11, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: Well yes. But how many teams were realistically in the hunt for Durant aside from the Warriors? Two, maybe three? I mean, everyone was probably going to check in on him. That irrelevant though. What is relevant is that Teams looking to fill max slots would pursue. If he is off the market because he opts in, its causes a trickle down effect where teams targeting him go to their next option, and teams targeting that next option will have to go to their's etc etc. Same if he is knocked out of most teams top target spot. Being at the top of the talent pool means that what happens to him effects all those underneath him, which means everyone's targets might have to adjust. EX: If KD is off the market, a guy like Harrison Barnes might be more coveted and get a better deal on a better team looking to improve ASAP. If Harrison Barnes tore his achilles, it doesn't effect a healthy KD, but it might effect role player guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, seminoles1 said: The only team that probably wouldn't wait for Durant is the Lakers. The Clippers, Knicks, and Nets are/were all in on Durant. You think any of those teams signs Jimmy Butler, Tobias Harris, Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker, etx. if they think they have a shot at Durant? Kawhi is the only 1 who Durant doesn't affect. Realistically speaking, the Clippers and Nets weren't real big suitors especially the Clippers. It's always been the Warriors and Knicks as 1A and 1B. The only reason the Nets came up as a possibility was because it was rumored that Kyrie preferred the Nets while KD preferred the Knicks. There was talk that maybe Kyrie could convince KD to team up in Brooklyn instead of New York, but that was a longshot. It was far more likely that Kyrie would follow KD than KD follow Kyrie. And I was speaking more in terms of the Tier 1 FA (i.e. Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay, KD, and Jimmy Butler) than the Tier 2 (Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker, etc.). Tier 2 guys are IMO guys who are going to go to whoever pays them the most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 10 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Kyrie is as weird as Kawhi, dude. He's a conspiracy theorist, thinks the Earth is flat, was getting super mad that the media kept saying he was staying or wasn't staying. He's a very weird dude. Kyrie has issues with the young guys on the team, thats very out in the air. Kyrie doesn't have bad blood with the Celtics organization. You have literally nothing to back this up. Are the young guys not part of the C's organization? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Are the young guys not part of the C's organization? Most of them will be gone. Again, where has he had a problem with the Celtics organization and not just one or two young dudes on the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 7 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: I mean, everyone was probably going to check in on him. That irrelevant though. What is relevant is that Teams looking to fill max slots would pursue. If he is off the market because he opts in, its causes a trickle down effect where teams targeting him go to their next option, and teams targeting that next option will have to go to their's etc etc. Same if he is knocked out of most teams top target spot. Being at the top of the talent pool means that what happens to him effects all those underneath him, which means everyone's targets might have to adjust. EX: If KD is off the market, a guy like Harrison Barnes might be more coveted and get a better deal on a better team looking to improve ASAP. If Harrison Barnes tore his achilles, it doesn't effect a healthy KD, but it might effect role player guys. There's a difference between checking in on him and having a realistic shot at signing him. He had 6 meetings last time, and it would have been expected to be a much tighter list this go around. His comments last week about him "not being recruited" tends to lead me to believe that he's got a pretty good idea of where he's going to go. I'd say there are 2 major suitors (GSW and NYK) with a 3rd possibility (BKN) that's not likely. The only thing that Kevin Durant's FA decision directly affects is New York's. If he re-signs with Golden State or opts into the deal, where do they go? Do they go and try and pair Jimmy Butler with Kyrie Irving? Do they stick with where they're going? But the part I was having the discussion about is how does it affect the major FAs (Kyrie, Kawhi, Klay, and Jimmy Butler). Kyrie seems down to Brooklyn and LA Lakers. We don't know what's going on with Kawhi, but odds are it's either Toronto or one of the LA teams. And Klay is re-signing with Golden State. That leaves Jimmy Butler as the only other domino. Would Jimmy Butler sign with an injured Kevin Durant in New York? Possible, but it seems more likely he'd go to Brooklyn with Kyrie or Los Angeles with LeBron than an injured Durant in New York. Maybe that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Realistically speaking, the Clippers and Nets weren't real big suitors especially the Clippers. It's always been the Warriors and Knicks as 1A and 1B. The only reason the Nets came up as a possibility was because it was rumored that Kyrie preferred the Nets while KD preferred the Knicks. There was talk that maybe Kyrie could convince KD to team up in Brooklyn instead of New York, but that was a longshot. It was far more likely that Kyrie would follow KD than KD follow Kyrie. And I was speaking more in terms of the Tier 1 FA (i.e. Kawhi, Kyrie, Klay, KD, and Jimmy Butler) than the Tier 2 (Khris Middleton, Kemba Walker, etc.). Tier 2 guys are IMO guys who are going to go to whoever pays them the most. Okay, but again, you think any of those teams signs anyone besides Kawhi if they think they have a shot at Durant? Even if you specifically don't believe Durant was considering the Clippers or Nets, that doesn't mean they don't. They all created cap space for a reason and it wasn't to sign Jimmy Butler. And what team would any of those players be signing with if Durant and Kawhi are still deciding? The first domino has to fall, and Durant was that domino. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: Most of them will be gone. Again, where has he had a problem with the Celtics organization and not just one or two young dudes on the team? If that were the case, wouldn't you think that we'd be hearing more about Kyrie re-signing with Boston? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, seminoles1 said: Okay, but again, you think any of those teams signs anyone besides Kawhi if they think they have a shot at Durant? Even if you specifically don't believe Durant was considering the Clippers or Nets, that doesn't mean they don't. They all created cap space for a reason and it wasn't to sign Jimmy Butler. And what team would any of those players be signing with if Durant and Kawhi are still deciding? The first domino has to fall, and Durant was that domino. I mean, is New York really going to say no to Jimmy Butler simply because Kawhi is still deciding? Unless the Knicks truly believe they're in on Kawhi (and to this point, nothing has indicated that Kawhi is interested in the Knicks), they're going to go with the guy who commits to them. The worst thing the Knicks can do is wait on KD/Kawhi who they realistically don't have much of a shot to sign (moreso Kawhi than KD) and risk losing everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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