40Year Pack Fan Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Forge said: Didn't we do away with the Domino theory in like 1950? It's crazy that we've actually gone backward in time at this point Everybody wants their twenty seconds of fame....Since we've become a nation of whiners, the odds are good it comes to fruition.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Which group is canceling everything? Which is mocking them? That's all that's needed to be said. Carry on..... South Park absolutely nailed the PC Babies group lol As far as I'm aware no laws or political organizations are responsible for re-naming of any sports teams, but rather the organizations adapting to consumer trends/advertisers and recognizing that the public has outgrown dated and racist team names as people have gotten more educated and less hateful over time. So essentially its the free market dictating changes! Capitalism has saved the day. But to me this isn't about who's sensitive and who's not. Its about right/wrong. All Pro-Indians and Pro-Redskins argument are based around not conceding to outside pressure, rather and never focus on how absurd their names/logos are in the first place. And like I said, which you skipped, we aren't naming teams Jews/Blacks/anything else because its ridiculous to believe that should fly. Just because the genocide was more proportionately effective against Indians and they have far less representation which is why this has gone on so long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, roger murdock said: As far as I'm aware no laws or political organizations are responsible for re-naming of any sports teams, but rather the organizations adapting to consumer trends/advertisers and recognizing that the public has outgrown dated and racist team names as people have gotten more educated and less hateful over time. So essentially its the free market dictating changes! Capitalism has saved the day. But to me this isn't about who's sensitive and who's not. Its about right/wrong. All Pro-Indians and Pro-Redskins argument are based around not conceding to outside pressure, rather and never focus on how absurd their names/logos are in the first place. And like I said, which you skipped, we aren't naming teams Jews/Blacks/anything else because its ridiculous to believe that should fly. Just because the genocide was more proportionately effective against Indians and they have far less representation which is why this has gone on so long. That's the best thing about this really, this is the most capitalist, free market, libertarian solution to the whole thing. Literally changing because monetary interest aligns with changing the thing. Like what is there to even get mad over. What is the end state of this "Slippery slope". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Forge said: So serious question...what does the twitter PC cancel culture have to do with a battle that has been fought by people for decades? I'm talking this specific item. Throw all the other stuff out because it's not applicable. This battle to have the name Indians removed (and Chief Wahoo, which obviously was previously done away with) has been going on since the 60's and 70's. We are talking 50 years of protesting. This has always been on the board of AIM's target list. This isn't a new thing. Did the twitter cancel culture give it extra oomph? Maybe...but I'm not sure that's a bad thing in this specific instance. I don't believe that all of these things can be considered the same, which is the trap I feel like far too many people fall into. As a child, I remember my father having a nickname at his place of work...I thought they called him "Chief" because he was retired Air Force....Come to find out, being he was dark complexed and looking Indian in appearance....Hence the name Chief...Don't recall him ever complaining about about it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: As a child, I remember my father having a nickname at his place of work...I thought they called him "Chief" because he was retired Air Force....Come to find out, being he was dark complexed and looking Indian in appearance....Hence the name Chief...Don't recall him ever complaining about about it.... So because he didn't, nobody else should? That's what we are going with? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, Forge said: So because he didn't, nobody else should? That's what we are going with? My father had Indian in him, so I guess we are... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Just now, 40Year Pack Fan said: My father had Indian in him, so I guess we are... Bold strategy. That should work out well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 It can't be individual and systemic you gotta pick one man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share Posted December 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Forge said: Bold strategy. That should work out well. You just need to realize people have had to bear things far worse than having their race affiliated with a sport's franchise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: You just need to realize people have had to bear things far worse than having their race affiliated with a sport's franchise... Oh I'm sorry for the confusion, our conversation is done. I know what I need to know now. Thanks for taking the time to respond. It was extremely illuminating 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles27 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Thread has gone into an iffy direction. Try to stay focused on the team name as much as possible. No insults/tribalism stuff and we can hopefully keep the discussion going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 6 hours ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: My father had Indian in him, so I guess we are... You mean native American? You are claiming to be part native American, while simultaneously calling them the wrong name?? Yeah, I'm gonna assume that you are making all of this up lol How is it that 500 friggin years later people still call native Americans Indians?? Plot twist: their new name will be the Cleveland Native Americans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, N4L said: Plot twist: their new name will be the Cleveland Native Americans I'm still smashing that "Cleveland football team" button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelonebillsfan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm still smashing that "Cleveland football team" button. Cleveland Rounders, make it incredibly confusing for British people. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4L Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Forge said: I'm still smashing that "Cleveland football team" button. Cleveland baseball club has a nice ring to it Pretty easy club to join too, only thing is that you must be a masochist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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