TheKillerNacho Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, incognito_man said: DVOA already accounts for all matchups, including inter-conference. So it takes your "perfect" indicator, and adds context. what "context"? you might as well be quoting me PFF ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 45 minutes ago, incognito_man said: how so? Are you kidding me? lol the AFC playoff scenarios are crazy, and the NFC is just sad at this point. Also the NFC is objectively inferior to the AFC this year, and it shows in their H2H records. Not sure why DVOA or anything else would matter when they can't beat AFC teams lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinSting Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 2 hours ago, ET80 said: Hey, a primetime NFC East matchup... Guess I'm watching 60 Minutes next Sunday. Well yes, an NFL game is 60 minutes of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: what "context"? you might as well be quoting me PFF ratings. https://help.footballoutsiders.com/hc/en-us/articles/360045226711-DVOA-Explained-in-Depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 No AFC team besides KC matters. The rest of the AFC is just kinda there competing for a chance to lose to KC in the AFC championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Are you kidding me? lol the AFC playoff scenarios are crazy, and the NFC is just sad at this point. Also the NFC is objectively inferior to the AFC this year, and it shows in their H2H records. Not sure why DVOA or anything else would matter when they can't beat AFC teams lol the AFC playoff picture is more interesting heading into week 17, but that doesn't mean the AFC is better. The NFC is objectively superior: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, incognito_man said: the AFC playoff picture is more interesting heading into week 17, but that doesn't mean the AFC is better. The NFC is objectively superior: Yeah....which is why they can't beat AFC teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pf9 Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 This game marks the 30th anniversary of another Washington-Philadelphia game in the latter city called by Al Michaels, known infamously as the Body Bag Game, which aired on MNF that year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yeah....which is why they can't beat AFC teams? the AFC vs NFC H2H overall record is buoyed by the AFC strongest division (North) beating up on the weakest NFC division (East). This is why context matters... Edited December 28, 2020 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, incognito_man said: the AFC vs NFC H2H overall record is buoyed by the AFC strongest division (North) beating up on the weakest NFC division (East). This is why context matters... And again, DVOA doesn't mean anything when you've already got matchups like KC/NO going to KC and BUF/SEA where Buffalo boat-raced Seattle. Those are just off the top of my head. DVOA also puts Pittsburgh at #8 which is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: And again, DVOA doesn't mean anything when you've already got matchups like KC/NO going to KC and BUF/SEA where Buffalo boat-raced Seattle. Those are just off the top of my head. DVOA also puts Pittsburgh at #8 which is hilarious. DVOA means more because it includes those h2h matchups (and every other one in 2020). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: the AFC vs NFC H2H overall record is buoyed by the AFC strongest division (North) beating up on the weakest NFC division (East). This is why context matters... Even if you ignore the AFC West vs NFC East, there's still five AFC teams with a positive record over the NFC (Colts 4-0, Chiefs 4-0, Titans 3-1, Bills 3-1, Dolphins 3-1) compared to the NFC's three (Seahawks 3-1, Bucs 3-1, Packers 3-1). But no, you don't get points for ejecting your conference's weakest division anyway. The NFC East is still part of the NFC, my friend. And the rest of the NFC has pounded on the NFC East themselves (via 24 in-conference games) more than the AFC has (via its 16 out of conference games against them), anyway. Every team in the NFC has had the pleasure to get a team from the NFC East on their schedule (with the NFC West getting four each). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) Just now, TheKillerNacho said: Even if you ignore the AFC West vs NFC East, there's still five AFC teams with a positive record over the NFC (Colts 4-0, Chiefs 4-0, Titans 3-1, Bills 3-1, Dolphins 3-1) compared to the NFC's three (Seahawks 3-1, Bucs 3-1, Packers 3-1). But no, you don't get points for ejecting your conference's weakest division anyway. The NFC East is still part of the NFC, my friend. And the rest of the NFC has pounded on the NFC East themselves (via 24 in-conference games) more than the AFC has (via its 16 out of conference games against them), anyway. Every team in the NFC has had the pleasure to get a team from the NFC East on their schedule (with the NFC West getting four each). This is all accounted for (and more) in DVOA Edited December 28, 2020 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted December 28, 2020 Author Share Posted December 28, 2020 Just now, incognito_man said: This is all accounted for (and more) in DVOA in the exact portions they should be factored in? DVOA is a pretty good metric by metrics go but it's no where near flawless. Using it as an end-all to support your view is a pretty poor look unless you want to discuss what factors in DVOA that are actually favoring the NFC and defend their weight in the metric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 28, 2020 Share Posted December 28, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said: in the exact portions they should be factored in? DVOA is a pretty good metric by metrics go but it's no where near flawless. Using it as an end-all to support your view is a pretty poor look unless you want to discuss what factors in DVOA that are actually favoring the NFC and defend their weight in the metric. it's certainly superior to a single h2h comparison considering that's already accounted for. I don't understand why anyone would prefer to use a far, far, FAR less complete dataset when an obviously superior one is free and available and in front of them. The only reason I can think of is that it doesn't support one's argument. Edited December 28, 2020 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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