Frankie2Gunz Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Gruden was making like $5M a year at ESPN. Last time I checked $5 million isn't $10 million. Leaving $5 million on the table over the next 6 seasons isn't chump change. He will stick around as long as he can or until he gets canned. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Frankie2Gunz said: Last time I checked $5 million isn't $10 million. Leaving $5 million on the table over the next 6 seasons isn't chump change. He will stick around as long as he can or until he gets canned. $5M was just his base salary, he can make money in other ways as well. Not to mention being a commentator is probably 5 million times easier than running an NFL franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie2Gunz Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, NYRaider said: $5M was just his base salary, he can make money in other ways as well. Not to mention being a commentator is probably 5 million times easier than running an NFL franchise. His salary as a coach is $10 million and he is making endorsement money as well. I just saw him in a beer commercial making funny faces, turning red and yelling. His shtick is getting old unless he can turn all of that acting into W's on the field. Edited April 7, 2021 by Frankie2Gunz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I went more than 'sour' that weekend when I saw we traded Mack. At that point 'Chucky' died and Gruden's EGO has been bigger than his paychecks. He has to EARN the loyalty back and he gives you glimpses but doesn't go 60 minutes for all 4 quarters and neither do his teams/players. I do think Mayock is the perfect GM for him as he understands the dynamic of navigating Gruden's EGO. Honestly can't see any real potential GM wanting this gig unless they lack experience. We have to make the best with what we've got because it's many years still and Gruden's 'shine' has worn off to go back to the booth unless he gets some playoff wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Turnobili said: the sad thing is, with some peeves here and there (short distance play calling, and some degree of playing favorites), i still think Gruden is an above average coach and playcaller. he just has way too much power and autonomy and he's never been a team builder. we need a GM to have power over him, but that's never going to be the case a) with his contract b) with a rookie GM Gruden is a pretty darn good coach... his problem is he gets some GM duties and that’s where he fails. If he just stuck to coaching he’d be far better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 14 hours ago, big_palooka said: Davis will never fire Gruden. He will resign/retire with a job lined up back in broadcasting. I predicted after 5 seasons, but I could see it happen after this year. The Raiders are not making the playoffs in 2021. The roster has seen to much turnover and they will only win 7-8 games IMO. The pressure was already on Gruden to make the playoffs. There are less than 25 players under contract for 2022, so you're looking at major turnover again. It's do or die for Gruden IMO. Can't see him enduring another losing season and coming back in 2022 No it's not do or die for Gruden, thats just what you want it to be. With that contract he isn't gone after next year unless he wants to go himself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 hours ago, RealisticRaiderFan said: Sadly I completely agree. It doesn't seem like a huge increase in production from JDR at all. At least him and Reggie were consistent. I wouldn't call 7-9, 12-4, 6-10 consistent. Unfortunately 4-12, 7-9, 8-8 isnt an upgrade. I don't see Gruden gone in the next 2 or 3 years, but i'm actually kind of optimistic on Gruden's ability to get wins if given a good roster. So it all depends on if we somehow can have a 2014 like impact draft this or next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 35 minutes ago, Roninho said: No it's not do or die for Gruden, thats just what you want it to be. With that contract he isn't gone after next year unless he wants to go himself. That is exactly what I'm saying. He will face another losing season in 2021 and "retire". His ego isn't sticking around for more losing football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealisticRaiderFan Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 @RoninhoI guess I meanmeant the consistency of where Del Rio and McKenzie managed personnel. The records certainly aren't consistent but you're right about the draft. If we haul like 2014, we can make a big wave. Huge issue though is John getting talent in the draft. Our 02 SB team he built was talented but very niche too, I'm curious to see what Gruden thinks is out need in Round one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Roninho said: I wouldn't call 7-9, 12-4, 6-10 consistent. Unfortunately 4-12, 7-9, 8-8 isnt an upgrade. I don't see Gruden gone in the next 2 or 3 years, but i'm actually kind of optimistic on Gruden's ability to get wins if given a good roster. So it all depends on if we somehow can have a 2014 like impact draft this or next year. He's in control of the roster. He's now rebuilding it for the second time in 4 years. They currently have < 25 players under contract for 2022. He's whiffed in the draft to the detriment of the roster. They are now hoping to salvage some of these bad picks. 2014 drafts are rare and the team had a top 5 pick in each round. Easier to hit on a high end guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: That is exactly what I'm saying. He will face another losing season in 2021 and "retire". His ego isn't sticking around for more losing football. Ah ok, see your point. Tbh i dont get that vibe yet, i expect it to be more like at least aother 2 years of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: He's in control of the roster. He's now rebuilding it for the second time in 4 years. They currently have < 25 players under contract for 2022. He's whiffed in the draft to the detriment of the roster. They are now hoping to salvage some of these bad picks. 2014 drafts are rare and the team had a top 5 pick in each round. Easier to hit on a high end guys. Yeah i'm talking about his ability to coach us to a win. His drafting & free agencies have been **** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roninho Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 hours ago, RealisticRaiderFan said: @RoninhoI guess I meanmeant the consistency of where Del Rio and McKenzie managed personnel. The records certainly aren't consistent but you're right about the draft. If we haul like 2014, we can make a big wave. Huge issue though is John getting talent in the draft. Our 02 SB team he built was talented but very niche too, I'm curious to see what Gruden thinks is out need in Round one. Ah ok. Yeah i must say at the end of the mckenzie era i was kind of fed up with us not adressing certain needs time & time again. Every year some other late round linebacker or slow runstopping FA linebacker and ending up with a bad lb unit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 12 hours ago, jimkelly02 said: Gruden is a pretty darn good coach... his problem is he gets some GM duties and that’s where he fails. If he just stuck to coaching he’d be far better off. I don't even find this to be accurate. His teams have fallen completely apart 2 years in a row. Players are calling out leadership and accountability in the locker room. They are still preaching to "change the culture". He can put together an offense. That's about it. And even then he get conservative and make odd calls in key sequences of games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 hours ago, big_palooka said: I don't even find this to be accurate. His teams have fallen completely apart 2 years in a row. Players are calling out leadership and accountability in the locker room. They are still preaching to "change the culture". He can put together an offense. That's about it. And even then he get conservative and make odd calls in key sequences of games. If the same thing happens again for the 3rd year in a row, then i'm gonna become you next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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