Leader Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Sandy said: I totally agree with that. But I still think we take an elite talent at another position and take Metchie at 59 rather than passing up on a better player to take Olave at 22. Even if Olave is the BPA at 22, trading down and getting two of the other top 19 or so WRs in this class later on could be the best way to build the roster for both the short and long term. Christ...how convoluted these discussions become. I never said we should take Olave at 22. Not. Once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Did you delete my post? Yes. And if you continue, you're going to get a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: Yes. And if you continue, you're going to get a warning. lol Save the time and just ******* warn me...selective modding in this forum is laughable Edited April 24, 2022 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 minute ago, cannondale said: I take WR2 at the appropriate draft spot. That wasn't the question. And you're purposely avoiding the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 19 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I'm going to laugh when we take an EDGE and a tackle in the first just so I can **** all over this narrative that we're operating under a certain window lol. I mean, we need both of those too. You can argue that EDGE, OT, S and WR and to some extent DL are all immediate needs (and future needs). If the Packers draft Karlaftis and T. Smith in the first, there's a good chance Smith starts and Karlaftis plays close to 40-50% of the snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoremore Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Answer this point blank. If WR1 is Jameson Williams and you've got him graded out on a separate tier from WR2 (choose your WR of choice), do you take WR2 instead of Jameson Williams, yes or no? Just to chime in Williams isn't going to just miss a few games. The dude tore his ACL Jan 20th. Maybe he sees the field in December and that would be at the earliest. A rookie coming in I'd say the chances of him playing at all this year are next to nil. It's just not going to happen. Reality is we have Rodgers for maybe 2 more seasons. We are going all in again this year and trying to make a run for the Superbowl. You want to burn a first on a guy that won't see the field? Given the unique circumstances that the Packers find themselves in I'd take the lesser guy who can contribute this year. We don't have the luxury of drafting a player in the First round that can't play. You choice of course is false to begin with. Maybe you take that guy that's 2nd tier a round lower. Have to take that into account. My stance is pass on Williams even if he's there at #22. This is not the year to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, packfanfb said: I mean, we need both of those too. You can argue that EDGE, OT, S and WR and to some extent DL are all immediate needs (and future needs). If the Packers draft Karlaftis and T. Smith in the first, there's a good chance Smith starts and Karlaftis plays close to 40-50% of the snaps. We're going to draft exactly as we always do. Nothing's changed. We don't operate with shortsightedness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: That wasn't the question. And you're purposely avoiding the question. I answered the question. I don't take a player that most likely has to red shirt. Especially in the First Round and especially at WR where the cupboard is bare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Scoremore said: Just to chime in Williams isn't going to just miss a few games. The dude tore his ACL Jan 20th. Maybe he sees the field in December and that would be at the earliest. A rookie coming in I'd say the chances of him playing at all this year are next to nil. It's just not going to happen. That's an incredibly pessimistic. Everything I've read here is roughly 6-9 month recovery for a torn ACL, so even 9 months would put him back around late October, early November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Why is the ACL a problem for drafting Williams but not Metchie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scoremore said: You choice of course is false to begin with. Maybe you take that guy that's 2nd tier a round lower. Have to take that into account. My stance is pass on Williams even if he's there at #22. This is not the year to do it. It's not. You've got Jameson Williams who is far and away your BPA, and you've got WR2 as your second best player but on a lower tier then Williams. Trading down isn't an option. Who do you take? It's a very simple question. The dodging of the question doesn't help the argument being made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 minute ago, cannondale said: I answered the question. I don't take a player that most likely has to red shirt. Especially in the First Round and especially at WR where the cupboard is bare So you're telling me you're passing up on a clearly superior prospect simply because they're not going to ready for the first month or two of the season? Shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 1 minute ago, CWood21 said: That's an incredibly pessimistic. Everything I've read here is roughly 6-9 month recovery for a torn ACL, so even 9 months would put him back around late October, early November. Where he misses training camp - starts out on the pup list - and that's the end of his season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 Just now, CWood21 said: So you're telling me you're passing up on a clearly superior prospect simply because they're not going to ready for the first month or two of the season? Shocking. That's what I was saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted April 24, 2022 Share Posted April 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, beekay414 said: We're going to draft exactly as we always do. Nothing's changed. We don't operate with shortsightedness. Right. My point is I don't think we really can go wrong there. If we go EDGE, there's our immediate No. 3 guy (basically a starter). If we got OL there's a good chance it's a guy who pushes Yosh or Newman for a starting job. If we go S, there's our immediate No. 3 safety (basically a starter. If we go WR, basically a starter. If we go DL, especially a pass rusher, that's a solid get too. The plan should be to get four guys in that top 60 who not only help us in the future but are key contributors, whether starters or not, this season as well. Edited April 24, 2022 by packfanfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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