TheRealMcCoy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Hayes was hurt almost all of last year so it's hard to really say anything about him either way. I liked him coming into the draft though, he reminded me a lot of D'Angelo Russell. I think one thing that might hurt Cade next year is Hayes' inability to hit 3's at an efficient clip. He shot 27% from 3 last year and is 0/6 from 3 through 2 SL games. And as the former #7 pick Casey will probably play him a ton but he'll be useless off ball unless he can hit open 3's, which likely means Cade will be pushed off ball more often than not because he can shoot. I could see that. Russell struggled getting to the rim sometimes as well. Think he's a better defender and maybe slightly worse handle. Feel like DLo was more crafty. But, that's a fair point about him being forced to play more off ball due to Haye's lack of outside shooting. Hopefully he improves and the Pistons new GM can surround him with the right talent. Probably gonna be a rough go the first year. Edited August 11, 2021 by TheRealMcCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Two in the first quarter were really bad passes/decisions and one was when Cade was guarding him somewhat near half court and ripped it from him and it went off on Jalen. That might've been the one you don't remember. It's game 2 SL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Before the college basketball season Kyrie was not considered the consensus #1 player in the draft though. People legit though Jan Veesley and Perry Jones III were better NBA prospects. How often do 6'2 guards without elite athleticism go #1 in the NBA Draft? Rose was taken number one but again he wasn't a guy that was considered a lock to be the #1 pick all year. It was a debate between him and Michael Beasley who IIRC was NCAA POY. Blake Griffin played 2 years of college basketball... He was definitely a hyped prospect but not at the same level as guys like Oden, Wall, AD, Cade, Zion, etc. Who were pegged as the future #1 pick before the season started and then ended up going #1. Kyrie was the consensus #1, but sort of by default in a really weak year. Rose was definitely a consensus pick over Beasley pretty early in the draft process. KAT and AD ended up being consensus guys even though Jahlil Okafor and Austin Rivers were somehow considered better prospects before the college year started. The weirdest one was Zion, who FEELS like he was the guy all along based on hype, but he was actually ranked behind Barrett and Reddish at the beginning of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catcheryea Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 12 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Before the college basketball season Kyrie was not considered the consensus #1 player in the draft though. People legit though Jan Veesley and Perry Jones III were better NBA prospects. How often do 6'2 guards without elite athleticism go #1 in the NBA Draft? Rose was taken number one but again he wasn't a guy that was considered a lock to be the #1 pick all year. It was a debate between him and Michael Beasley who IIRC was NCAA POY. Blake Griffin played 2 years of college basketball... He was definitely a hyped prospect but not at the same level as guys like Oden, Wall, AD, Cade, Zion, etc. Who were pegged as the future #1 pick before the season started and then ended up going #1. 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: I never said he was the heir to LeBron. But Cade is without a doubt one of the most hyped prospects coming into the league since LeBron along with guys like Wiggins, Zion, Wall, and AD. you said this. nothing about high school rankings or preseason mock drafts. everybody who watches college basketball knew those three guys and lots of people who didn't still knew them. when kyrie came back for the tournament it was an event. when oklahoma played unc and it was blake vs hansbrough, it was an event. rose was the best player at a small school who was #1 for most of the year and only lost one game against #2. he was a phenomenon back then. of course beasley was also hyped, he was outrageous, but that doesn't mean rose wasn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I could see that. Russell struggled getting to the rim sometimes as well. Think he's a better defender and maybe slightly worse handle. Feel like DLo was more crafty. But, that's a fair point about him being forced to play more off ball due to Haye's lack of outside shooting. Hopefully he improves and the Pistons new GM can surround him with the right talent. Probably gonna be a rough go the first year. Russell has always been at least an average 3P shooter though. And yeah Russell is definitely more crafty, a better ball handler, shooter, and passer than Hayes at the same stage. The Pistons as a whole were one of the worst 3P shooting teams in the league last season. They have some interesting young players but overall they're one of the least athletic teams in the league and don't have a ton of guys that can create their own shots or hit 3's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catcheryea Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: I could see that. Russell struggled getting to the rim sometimes as well. Think he's a better defender and maybe slightly worse handle. Feel like DLo was more crafty. But, that's a fair point about him being forced to play more off ball due to Haye's lack of outside shooting. Hopefully he improves and the Pistons new GM can surround him with the right talent. Probably gonna be a rough go the first year. he can't really finish with his right hand at all and he doesn't elevate enough to finish over guys so if he doesn't get a floater off he's almost always looking to pass once he leaves his feet and he just finds himself in terrible positions too often trying to force a kick out. he has a long way to go and the injury last year really boned him. he was playing with a bunch of vets who didn't really respect him at the start of the season and when he came back he was playing with guys who already had their roles figured out on a terrible team and he had to figure out where he fit in. it also doesn't help that there are so many god damn point guards on this roster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, catcheryea said: he can't really finish with his right hand at all and he doesn't elevate enough to finish over guys so if he doesn't get a floater off he's almost always looking to pass once he leaves his feet and he just finds himself in terrible positions too often trying to force a kick out. he has a long way to go and the injury last year really boned him. he was playing with a bunch of vets who didn't really respect him at the start of the season and when he came back he was playing with guys who already had their roles figured out on a terrible team and he had to figure out where he fit in. it also doesn't help that there are so many god damn point guards on this roster Good to know and yeah I'm watching a video KOC put out about him during this season and it goes into detail about a lot of what you said here. Edited August 11, 2021 by TheRealMcCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Kyrie was the consensus #1, but sort of by default in a really weak year. Rose was definitely a consensus pick over Beasley pretty early in the draft process. These were the only early mock draft I could find for the 2011 draft class. Kyrie Irving wasn't even the #1 recruit in the country, Harrison Barnes was and many expected that he'd be the #1 pick. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/411276-2011-nba-draft-its-never-too-early https://bleacherreport.com/articles/429989-2011-nba-mock-draft-harrison-barnes-and-the-year-of-the-freshman https://bleacherreport.com/articles/545674-nba-mock-draft-projecting-top-10-kyrie-irving-or-harrison-barnes-to-clippers And again, a ton of revisionist history here. Rose's great performance in the NCAA tournament elevated him but throughout the season people were very high on Beasley. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/29449-2008-nba-mock-draft https://hoopsaddict.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/2008-nba-mock-draft/ https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2008-mar-23-sp-heisler23-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Good to know and yeah I'm watching a video KOC put out about him during this season and it goes into detail about a lot of what you said here. Didn't the Ringer have him #1 on their board last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Oden, Wall, Rose, KD, AD, Dwight, Simmons, KAT, pre-college Wiggins we're all considered better prospects than Cunningham IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catcheryea Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 Just now, NYRaider said: Didn't the Ringer have him #1 on their board last year? koc ******* loved him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, catcheryea said: you said this. nothing about high school rankings or preseason mock drafts. everybody who watches college basketball knew those three guys and lots of people who didn't still knew them. when kyrie came back for the tournament it was an event. when oklahoma played unc and it was blake vs hansbrough, it was an event. rose was the best player at a small school who was #1 for most of the year and only lost one game against #2. he was a phenomenon back then. of course beasley was also hyped, he was outrageous, but that doesn't mean rose wasn't My point was that there have been very few prospects that started the year considered the consensus #1 player and then actually went #1 in the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted August 11, 2021 Share Posted August 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Didn't the Ringer have him #1 on their board last year? Just checked and yep. KOC had him #1 (shades of D'Angelo Russell / Manu Ginobili), Edwards #2, LaMelo #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted August 11, 2021 Author Share Posted August 11, 2021 1 minute ago, redsoxsuck05 said: Oden, Wall, Rose, KD, AD, Dwight, Simmons, KAT, pre-college Wiggins we're all considered better prospects than Cunningham IMO. https://pistonpowered.com/2021/07/18/pistons-cade-cunningham-nba-draft/4/ These guys have Cade ranked 3rd behind Zion and AD over the last decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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