Hunter2_1 Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 (edited) Where do you rank him in DE/Pass rushers? I think he's right up there Something like....Garrett, Watt, N Bosa, Jones, J Bosa, for me Edited December 6, 2021 by Hunter2_1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFrush Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 1)Garrett - Has the most freakish combination of athleticism, speed and power 2)N.Bosa Best hands and can rush from both sides 3)Watt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 I think he's in the MG & Watt tier, but I'm biased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTrav Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 He’s great. Also got him top 5 now. some sort of combo of Watt, Garrett, Jones, Jones, Joey, Nick, maybe Gregory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-ALL-DAY Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Forge said: I think he's in the MG & Watt tier, but I'm biased. He's likely just as good as those two but the difference is they have the body of work that Nick does not at this point...Not his fault as he was hurt last season but he was great as a rookie and even better now. I'd put him #3 at the moment behind Watt/Garrett (any order). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 On 12/13/2021 at 2:06 PM, SFrush said: 1)Garrett - Has the most freakish combination of athleticism, speed and power 2)N.Bosa Best hands and can rush from both sides 3)Watt Watt is way better than Bosa. There's Garrett. Then a huge gap. Followed by Watt. Then another gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFrush Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, VanS said: Watt is way better than Bosa. There's Garrett. Then a huge gap. Followed by Watt. Then another gap. How is he way better? Statistically N.Bosa is being double teamed this season way more than Watt. Edited December 15, 2021 by SFrush 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 7 hours ago, SFrush said: How is he way better? Statistically N.Bosa is being double teamed this season way more than Watt. Look at Watt's history...he's a pretty special dude. He also plays a different role within the defense which requires him to do other things. As a pass rusher, I believe that Bosa is in the same tier as Watt and MG, though as @J-ALL-DAY said, he doesn't quite have the history yet, and production wise those guys have been slightly better. I don't think it's a knock, though I think the "AINEC" and "Waaaaaaay better" usage is just overused in a general sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopper15 Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 14 hours ago, VanS said: Watt is way better than Bosa. There's Garrett. Then a huge gap. Followed by Watt. Then another gap. Nick Bosa dominating with a lot less talent around him than Watt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted December 15, 2021 Share Posted December 15, 2021 I really like Nick Bosa but to say that he is better than TJ Watt? Nonsense. I'd be comfortable to include him in any top 5 list but I'd need more than just this season and his rookie season to put him top 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 2:31 PM, Hopper15 said: Nick Bosa dominating with a lot less talent around him than Watt. Oh yeah... That Steelers Front 7 talent of Chris Wormley (so good he was traded in division), legendary backup Isaiah Buggs, legendary practice squader Henry Moundeaux, former Saints Practice Squader Montravius Adams, and Taco Charlton (enough said). The only other quality defender he's had in his front 7 has been Heyward. And I really hope you don't mean the Defense as a whole either. Stop the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 For me personally, and I admit I am biased, I have TJ Watt on his own tier. He's consistent, won the edge triple crown last year, and if healthy all season probably breaks the sack record this year. As much as I think Bosa's rookie season was drastically overrated, I probably put him at number two. I am curious why he doesn't get the same hype as Myles Garrett. I would argue Bosa is having a better year than Garrett but nobody discusses him because Garrett had one big game against the Bears and everyone wanted him to be DPoTY to live up to some billing that is always given to him for some reason... 1. Watt 2. Bosa 3. Garrett 4. J. Bosa 5. M. Crosby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaqOptic Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 On 12/15/2021 at 5:20 AM, SFrush said: How is he way better? Statistically N.Bosa is being double teamed this season way more than Watt. If you're going to use Seth's data and research perhap use it all? Like the player heat maps which show why Watt isn't double teamed at that clip; he often lines up wide (between a 7 and 9). Having a near 20% double rate despite lining up so wide so frequently is ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 17 minutes ago, BlaqOptic said: For me personally, and I admit I am biased, I have TJ Watt on his own tier. He's consistent, won the edge triple crown last year, and if healthy all season probably breaks the sack record this year. As much as I think Bosa's rookie season was drastically overrated, I probably put him at number two. I am curious why he doesn't get the same hype as Myles Garrett. I would argue Bosa is having a better year than Garrett but nobody discusses him because Garrett had one big game against the Bears and everyone wanted him to be DPoTY to live up to some billing that is always given to him for some reason... 1. Watt 2. Bosa 3. Garrett 4. J. Bosa 5. M. Crosby I'd sooner put Watt on his own tier than Garrett, so I don't think you're out in left field or anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/14/2021 at 12:42 AM, BigTrav said: He’s great. Also got him top 5 now. some sort of combo of Watt, Garrett, Jones, Jones, Joey, Nick, maybe Gregory I am blanking who is Jones? Chandler? Who else is it because my brain is only saying Deacon and obviously that's not it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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