⏰ to completely clean house

[big_palooka]

Just now, big_palooka said:

The cutest part of all of this is that any of you ever thought this was a playoff team. 

The damage was done in April. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs behind this Oline. 

The big plays they had early in the season were not sustainable. They never could establish a running game and you need that late in the season. Defense is no different, they were never going to sustain the level of pass rush they saw early in the season. The've manages 8 sacks in the last 6 games, 4th worst in the league. 

But yes, let's blame Mayock for not making desperate trade. You don't go all in on a big trade to "get to the playoffs". You go all in when you have the roster to win a championship and you need that one piece to get you over the top. 

 

[Jeremy408]

1 minute ago, big_palooka said:

The cutest part of all of this is that any of you ever thought this was a playoff team. 

The damage was done in April. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs behind this Oline. 

The big plays they had early in the season were not sustainable. They never could establish a running game and you need that late in the season. Defense is no different, they were never going to sustain the level of pass rush they saw early in the season. The've manages 8 sacks in the last 6 games, 4th worst in the league. 

But yes, let's blame Mayock for not making desperate trade. And using Hue Jackson as an argument.... get out of here with that. That trade set the Raiders back years. 

I thought they were but that was a head coach and a most explosive player on the team ago

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

I'm not a Mayock fans, but comments like this are such hyperbole. What move makes the team a playoff contender? What player was traded at the deadline that could have made them a playoff team? 

There have been 19 players traded since the start of the season and not one of them would be a player that changes the course of the team. 

The trades you are probably upset about are the ones that were rumor mill garbage that had no reality of happening (Cox, Leo Williams, etc). 

The Rams trades for Von Miller and Sony Michel were both big impact moves, especially Sony as the season has worn on. The offense has lacked any type of explosiveness since we lost Ruggs, we could've went after someone like Brandin Cooks. Regardless though how well has Mayock's conservative approach worked out? The team is fading as the season wears on after a strong start. There's a reason that there are empty seats at the games and it's typically a 50/50 split with opposing fans. The team has not done anything to get the fanbase excited or to try and make a push for the playoffs, they're content with being mediocre. 

[MrOaktown_56]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

The cutest part of all of this is that any of you ever thought this was a playoff team. 

The damage was done in April. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs behind this Oline. 

The big plays they had early in the season were not sustainable. They never could establish a running game and you need that late in the season. Defense is no different, they were never going to sustain the level of pass rush they saw early in the season. The've manages 8 sacks in the last 6 games, 4th worst in the league. 

But yes, let's blame Mayock for not making desperate trade. And using Hue Jackson as an argument.... get out of here with that. That trade set the Raiders back years. 

Maybe but what killed this team was losing Gruden, then Ruggs, then Waller. How many teams can make the playoffs after that?

Gruden had some bad calls, but he was still average-ish as a play caller. Olsen is just god awful. And we went from scoring 30 a game easy to not being able to break 20.

[NYRaider]

1 hour ago, big_palooka said:

The cutest part of all of this is that any of you ever thought this was a playoff team. 

The damage was done in April. There was no chance this team was making the playoffs behind this Oline. 

The big plays they had early in the season were not sustainable. They never could establish a running game and you need that late in the season. Defense is no different, they were never going to sustain the level of pass rush they saw early in the season. The've manages 8 sacks in the last 6 games, 4th worst in the league. 

But yes, let's blame Mayock for not making desperate trade. And using Hue Jackson as an argument.... get out of here with that. That trade set the Raiders back years. 

The AFC is currently wide open, every single team has major flaws outside of probably Kansas City. We're currently 7-7 and there are 6 teams with 6 losses ahead of us. So despite our crazy season we are only 1 game out of the playoffs. 

[NYRaider]

1 minute ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Maybe but what killed this team was losing Gruden, then Ruggs, then Waller. How many teams can make the playoffs after that?

Gruden had some bad calls, but he was still average-ish as a play caller. Olsen is just god awful. And we went from scoring 30 a game easy to not being able to break 20.

And outside of the two Chiefs losses we had a chance to tie the game or take the lead in the 4th quarter in all 5 of our other losses. 

[MrOaktown_56]

4 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

The AFC is currently wide open, every single team has major flaws outside of probably Kansas City. We're currently 7-7 and there are 6 teams with 6 losses ahead of us. So despite our crazy season we are only 1 game out of the playoffs. 

It's amazing we're still in it. We lack talent but I am proud of this team for not folding.

[NYRaider]

Just now, MrOaktown_56 said:

It's amazing we're still in it. We lack talent but I am proud of this team for not folding.

We still control our own fate the rest of the way and with how many players are missing games due to covid, anything can happen.

[MrOaktown_56]

Just now, NYRaider said:

We still control our own fate the rest of the way and with how many players are missing games due to covid, anything can happen.

Watch us win and then have taylor run for 300.

[ronjon1990]

2 hours ago, big_palooka said:

You re-posting this doesn't change anything. You're speaking in platitudes. "make his mark", "show he's got the goods", take your shot and run with with", "asserting himself as head honcho".

My question is HOW? What could he have possibly done that impacted the win column that would push Davis to keep him on as GM in the middle of their season?

Now, I understand that there's only so much he could have done to fundamentally alter the course of the season. 

He's had several times he could've made an impression (Gruden's canning, Ruggs killing someone, Arnette being a Class A moron, etc.

Instead of asserting himself as the head honcho we need in a GM, I've come away feeling like his abilities consist of being Gruden's apologist and a proxy PR guy to defend the objectively bad moves made over the last few seasons. 

3rd time's a charm maybe?

[NCOUGHMAN]

1 hour ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

It's amazing we're still in it. We lack talent but I am proud of this team for not folding.

Meh I’m proud of the defense for not folding. our offense basically consists of one lucky td a game and a handful of fgs

[NYRaider]

2 hours ago, NCOUGHMAN said:

Meh I’m proud of the defense for not folding. our offense basically consists of one lucky td a game and a handful of fgs

[big_palooka]

12 hours ago, NYRaider said:

The Rams trades for Von Miller and Sony Michel were both big impact moves, especially Sony as the season has worn on. The offense has lacked any type of explosiveness since we lost Ruggs, we could've went after someone like Brandin Cooks. Regardless though how well has Mayock's conservative approach worked out? The team is fading as the season wears on after a strong start. There's a reason that there are empty seats at the games and it's typically a 50/50 split with opposing fans. The team has not done anything to get the fanbase excited or to try and make a push for the playoffs, they're content with being mediocre. 

Not what I was asking. Those were impacts for the RAMS. A team with a Super Bowl caliber roster. Those players would have done nothing for the RAIDERS playoff chances.

Texans were not parting with Cooks, said it publicly, so that wasn't realistic. I'm not dealing in hypotheticals here.... 

[big_palooka]

11 hours ago, ronjon1990 said:

Now, I understand that there's only so much he could have done to fundamentally alter the course of the season. 

He's had several times he could've made an impression (Gruden's canning, Ruggs killing someone, Arnette being a Class A moron, etc.

Instead of asserting himself as the head honcho we need in a GM, I've come away feeling like his abilities consist of being Gruden's apologist and a proxy PR guy to defend the objectively bad moves made over the last few seasons. 

3rd time's a charm maybe?

It's not. It's all platitudes and no substance. You don't offer any real tangible action items Mayock could have made to do do anything you said he should have done. What would should he have done to establish himself head hancho? Easy to say.... what actions did he need to take for you to be impressed?

[big_palooka]

13 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Maybe but what killed this team was losing Gruden, then Ruggs, then Waller. How many teams can make the playoffs after that?

Gruden had some bad calls, but he was still average-ish as a play caller. Olsen is just god awful. And we went from scoring 30 a game easy to not being able to break 20.

I don't disagree, but none of what was happening early in the season was sustainable. The Oline would have had to make major strides and they would have needed a running game to eventually show up.