IronMike84 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, blkwdw13 said: At the same time what coach has had success else where that came from the Belichick tree. I don’t know that it’s fair to judge present and future Patriots assistants based on the the guys who have failed before them. There are guys in the Belichick tree who got gigs based on where they came from rather than what they accomplished (Mangini is the big one there). The pluses for me on McDaniels: *Has failed before. To me, that can be a big plus. Failure, if harnessed correctly, can be an extremely positive thing. Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick are two notable guys who failed and had to do some heavy reflection in order to find success. *Experience working with QBs. *Experience as a playcaller. *Has called a very prolific offense with low-round draft picks and UDFAs. *As far as I can tell, he’s the only Belichick tree guy with five rings. Called the offense for two of the Championships (Charlie Weis called the other three). None of that automatically means “must-hire,” but that’s more than enough ammo for interview consideration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 hours ago, blkwdw13 said: At the same time what coach has had success else where that came from the Belichick tree. Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz the first 2 to come to mind. Kirks son Brian spent about 5 years with the pats and is the oc at iowa. Actually when you look back at that first bb staff in cleveland its pretty impressive list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 1 hour ago, Superman(DH23) said: Nick Saban and Kirk Ferentz the first 2 to come to mind. Kirks son Brian spent about 5 years with the pats and is the oc at iowa. Actually when you look back at that first bb staff in cleveland its pretty impressive list Alright we have two guys who have great college success in college with little to no success in the NFL. The Bears aren’t looking for an college course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkwdw13 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 hours ago, IronMike84 said: I don’t know that it’s fair to judge present and future Patriots assistants based on the the guys who have failed before them. There are guys in the Belichick tree who got gigs based on where they came from rather than what they accomplished (Mangini is the big one there). The pluses for me on McDaniels: *Has failed before. To me, that can be a big plus. Failure, if harnessed correctly, can be an extremely positive thing. Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick are two notable guys who failed and had to do some heavy reflection in order to find success. *Experience working with QBs. *Experience as a playcaller. *Has called a very prolific offense with low-round draft picks and UDFAs. *As far as I can tell, he’s the only Belichick tree guy with five rings. Called the offense for two of the Championships (Charlie Weis called the other three). None of that automatically means “must-hire,” but that’s more than enough ammo for interview consideration. The Bears can interview him but with candidates that look much better that’s all he should get. I personally don’t trust him because of how bad he failed and that coaching tree doesn’t produce any successful coaches, it just makes BB that much better of a coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 I've heard that McDaniels would want personnel control, which I don't see Pace giving up. Matt Nagy is my guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 John Morton of the Jets is an interesting name. Worked with Pace in New Orleans for a short time and what the Jets are doing on offense is really impressive considering the talent issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 5 minutes ago, WindyCity said: John Morton of the Jets is an interesting name. Worked with Pace in New Orleans for a short time and what the Jets are doing on offense is really impressive considering the talent issues. I've seen his name bandied about around here... not sure what the lure is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 8 minutes ago, G08 said: I've seen his name bandied about around here... not sure what the lure is. He is producing with literally no talent on offense in NY. There was some great cut ups on Twitter about how through formations and motion he gets a ton of lay up passes for the QB. I am going to do some more digging on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, WindyCity said: He is producing with literally no talent on offense in NY. There was some great cut ups on Twitter about how through formations and motion he gets a ton of lay up passes for the QB. I am going to do some more digging on him. If you can, please send those tweets/links over this way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 Runs a West Coast offense, loves to throw to Backs, TEs, really likes working screens, comes from Sean Payton's system so he likes to use all his backs in the running and passing game, and he isn't afraid to dial up deep passes. Big fan of his, I think he's 1-2 years away from being a legit head coaching candidate. I'm hoping we can hang onto him a little longer. Receiver/QB friendly system. Utilized his backs perfectly to keep the defense off balance. He’s gotten better as a coach during the year. Jets Fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2017/film-room-new-york-jets-offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronMike84 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 hours ago, G08 said: I've heard that McDaniels would want personnel control, which I don't see Pace giving up. Who’s going to give that to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, WindyCity said: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2017/film-room-new-york-jets-offense Intriguing for sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topwop1 Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, WindyCity said: He is producing with literally no talent on offense in NY. There was some great cut ups on Twitter about how through formations and motion he gets a ton of lay up passes for the QB. I am going to do some more digging on him. Aside from being a HC candidate it's not inconceivable to think that Morton could be an OC candidate for the Bears next season if the entire Jets coaching staff is let go and a guy like Pete Carmichael is hired as the next Bears HC. I would actually be pretty happy if it worked out like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyCity Posted November 15, 2017 Share Posted November 15, 2017 3 minutes ago, topwop1 said: Aside from being a HC candidate it's not inconceivable to think that Morton could be an OC candidate for the Bears next season if the entire Jets coaching staff is let go and a guy like Pete Carmichael is hired as the next Bears HC. I would actually be pretty happy if it worked out like that. I doubt they will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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