Jeezla Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) Packers make the most sense. Get Rogers somebody after losing Davante, and drafting a rookie to be WR1 doesn't make sense for a team with SB aspirations. Jets and Lions should draft a WR1. Edited April 20, 2022 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 If I'm forced to give up a 1st and 25-30 million its going to to DK who has a more proven track record then deebo and is younger. DEEBO HAS HAD 1 GOOD SEASON, JUST 1. and everyone is acting like hes a top 5- Top 10 WR. He's not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Packers make the most sense. Get Rogers somebody after losing Davante, and drafting a rookie to be WR1 doesn't make sense for a team with SB aspirations. Jets and Lions should draft a WR1. I’d like him on the Ravens too Jets will try for him, but they won’t want to give up #10. They tried the Tyreek trade without giving up a 1st round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, IrishHooligan00 said: If I'm forced to give up a 1st and 25-30 million its going to to DK who has a more proven track record then deebo and is younger. DEEBO HAS HAD 1 GOOD SEASON, JUST 1. and everyone is acting like hes a top 5- Top 10 WR. He's not. rookie year 800 yards. Then injured. Then 1400 yards. He's very good, but no WR, imo, is worth more than a single 1st round pick, including DK Metcalf, unless you are trading for them in year 2 of their rookie contract and get 2 more years of them being cheap. If you have to spend a 1st round pick, plus extra picks, then immediately make them top 3 highest paid at their position before they do a single thing for your team-it ain't worth it. Not for a WR. If I have the chance to trade for 25 year old Calvin Johnson, but I have to immediately make him the #1 paid WR and give up a 1st and 3rd- I'm not doing it, unless my QB is Aaron Rogers or Peyton or Mahoney, and we were a SB favorite even before the trade. Edited April 20, 2022 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesFlySBChampsHigh Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Jeezla said: There is no right price, only the "ouch" price. No matter what, you are giving away at least a 1st and a 30M per. A first isn't that big of a deal to me. Howie can make the money work I'm sure and all this talk of the salary cap having a major jump soon enough will help if that does happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishHooligan00 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Jeezla said: rookie year 800 yards. Then injured. Then 1400 yards. He's very good, but no WR, imo, is worth more than a single 1st round pick, including DK Metcalf, unless you are trading for them in year 2 of their rookie contract and get 2 more years of them being cheap. If you have to spend a 1st round pick, plus extra picks, then immediately make them top 3 highest paid at their position before they do a single thing for your team-it ain't worth it. Not for a WR. If I have the chance to trade for 25 year old Calvin Johnson, but I have to immediately make him the #1 paid WR and give up a 1st and 3rd- I'm not doing it, unless my QB is Aaron Rogers or Peyton or Mahoney, and we were a SB favorite even before the trade. I wouldnt trade 2 1sts for any of the WRS that have been traded and are in trade talks. IMO its just not worth it. 1 -1st like you said I can go with as long as they have the production to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjapirate Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Deebo doesn't want to run the ball anymore. Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, ninjapirate said: Deebo doesn't want to run the ball anymore. Pass. I don't want my WR's running the ball either tbh. Devonta in particular. BTW, should we just start calling Devonta Devo? Ditch the nta? Edited April 20, 2022 by Jeezla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, EagleBlueDon said: I'd do that in a heartbeat. It's the money that worries me. Exactly. And the money wouldn't be in question for me IF 1. Deebo had a better health history. 2. We had an established QB to make the the most out of a prime WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 hours ago, IrishHooligan00 said: If I'm forced to give up a 1st and 25-30 million its going to to DK who has a more proven track record then deebo and is younger. DEEBO HAS HAD 1 GOOD SEASON, JUST 1. and everyone is acting like hes a top 5- Top 10 WR. He's not. I think top 10 is entirely possible. Though top 5 at this point? I dunno about that one chief. Justin Jefferson and JaMarr Chase are both already ahead of Deebo IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Wish I knew more about our 2023 cap situation and trying to look at OverTheCap and Spotrac aren't really helping. OTC has us with 14.8 million in cap space next year for 23rd best and somehow Spotrac has us at -6.4 million for 29th in cap space available. I'm not sure if our situation is as disastrous as those numbers (especially Spotrac) make it out to be, but man kicking the can down the road and all the dummy years is really biting us right now. We have a rookie QB and we really can't add as many pieces as we probably need this year or next year maybe. I hate to say it for Jalen Hurts sake cause its not really his fault, but he's just a place holder unless he takes a pretty big jump. I think most likely if we don't take a QB in this draft that we will be taking one in next years class or 2024 (the year Hurts becomes a FA), cause they aren't paying Jalen even if he doesn't want some crazy contract. They are gonna go back to the well and draft someone, so they still have a QB on a cheap deal and hopefully one that can be a top 5-10 QB in this league and that guy will benefit as a lot of these bad deals and dead cap hits come off the books in the next year or two. Then, in 2024/2025 we'll probably be one of the teams with higher cap space and be able to do more trades for valuable players or signing valuable players to bolster the roster. Just like we hit on last years class we are gonna have to do it again this year cause we need talent at a lot of spots and we ain't rolling in dough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Good for Vinny man, but weird Schefter said former Eagle cause Curry was on the Jets last year, but missed the season cause of a rare blood disorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Wish I knew more about our 2023 cap situation and trying to look at OverTheCap and Spotrac aren't really helping. OTC has us with 14.8 million in cap space next year for 23rd best and somehow Spotrac has us at -6.4 million for 29th in cap space available. I'm not sure if our situation is as disastrous as those numbers (especially Spotrac) make it out to be, but man kicking the can down the road and all the dummy years is really biting us right now. We have a rookie QB and we really can't add as many pieces as we probably need this year or next year maybe. I hate to say it for Jalen Hurts sake cause its not really his fault, but he's just a place holder unless he takes a pretty big jump. I think most likely if we don't take a QB in this draft that we will be taking one in next years class or 2024 (the year Hurts becomes a FA), cause they aren't paying Jalen even if he doesn't want some crazy contract. They are gonna go back to the well and draft someone, so they still have a QB on a cheap deal and hopefully one that can be a top 5-10 QB in this league and that guy will benefit as a lot of these bad deals and dead cap hits come off the books in the next year or two. Then, in 2024/2025 we'll probably be one of the teams with higher cap space and be able to do more trades for valuable players or signing valuable players to bolster the roster. Just like we hit on last years class we are gonna have to do it again this year cause we need talent at a lot of spots and we ain't rolling in dough. Doing a quick run down of the top 25 players for next year PLAYERS DEAD CAP CAP HIT Restructure? Cut? potential savings Darius Slay -$21,265,000 $26,011,000 $6-14m Lane Johnson -$14,389,000 $23,018,000 $3-7m Brandon Brooks -$9,797,237 $18,047,237 RETIRED $9m Fletcher Cox -$15,359,280 $15,359,280 n/a ?????? Andre Dillard - $12,604,000 trade 2022 $12.6m Javon Hargrave -$11,956,000 $11,956,000 2022 n/a ?????? Jason Kelce -$21,123,000 $11,175,000 $0 Brandon Graham -$18,311,000 $9,663,000 n/a $3m Derek Barnett -$1,500,000 $8,500,000 $7m Jordan Mailata -$26,128,000 $7,671,000 $0 Haason Reddick -$25,972,000 $6,807,000 $0 Dallas Goedert -$22,703,328 $6,600,732 $0 Josh Sweat -$29,712,000 $6,057,000 $0 DeVonta Smith -$11,901,730 $5,493,107 $0 Jake Elliott -$2,484,000 $5,171,400 $0 Avonte Maddox -$11,828,798 $4,289,266 $0 Jalen Reagor -$4,222,488 $4,222,488 $4.2m Fletcher Cox pt2 -$10,000,000 $4,000,000 ?????? Isaac Seumalo -$3,838,000 $3,838,000 Could resign n/a $3.8m Landon Dickerson - $2,360,911 $0 Jalen Hurts -$485,486 $1,917,102 $0 Kyzir White -$1,572,000 $1,572,000 Could resign n/a ?????? Milton Williams -$538,244 $1,393,683 $0 Davion Taylor -$208,074 $1,304,074 $1.1m $49.7m - $61.7m Probably when it's all said and done they create $30 mil with easy moves. Hargrave is really the only big guy that will need a new deal, Slay's being the biggest restructure. But it's going to go way up next year, when new 100bil TV deal kicks in + I think when some of the betting/casino stuff hits too. So we'll be fine, crappy thing will be not a lot of guys will make it to the open market to spend on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Kiltman said: But it's going to go way up next year, when new 100bil TV deal kicks in + I think when some of the betting/casino stuff hits too. Yeah I always see this point, but I don't really care as its gonna benefit every team in the league. The ones lower on the totem pole for cap space as well as the ones already with a lot of cap space. But, it'll be nice to get some more breathing room regardless. 44 minutes ago, Kiltman said: Probably when it's all said and done they create $30 mil with easy moves. Hargrave is really the only big guy that will need a new deal, Slay's being the biggest restructure. Do we really want to restructure Slay again? He's signed through next year and could easily fall off by 2024. We already have like a 12 million dollar dead cap hit for Slay not even being on the team in 2024 cause of the restructure we already did with him. I mean he'll be 33 for the 2024 season and in all actuality he'll be closer to 34 when the season starts in September. Edited April 21, 2022 by TheRealMcCoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiltman Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Yeah I always see this point, but I don't really care as its gonna benefit every team in the league. The ones lower on the totem pole for cap space as well as the ones already with a lot of cap space. But, it'll be nice to get some more breathing room regardless. I think the flaw there is a lot of the contracts were framed out before that deal, so regardless of anything else it’s a bet positive. Give teams some breathing room to get some bad hit just over with, have more flexibility in when they have to restructure. You get some leverage back when you aren’t on a timetable to get under the cap. 1 hour ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Do we really want to restructure Slay again? He's signed through next year and could easily fall off by 2024. We already have like a 12 million dollar dead cap hit for Slay not even being on the team in 2024 cause of the restructure we already did with him. I mean he'll be 33 for the 2024 season and in all actuality he'll be closer to 34 when the season starts in September. If they want him on the team in 2023, yeah. If not then they’ll post June 1st him. Gets that $21.26m in deadcap to split to a manageable $9.25m and $12.01m over those years. Brings the overall savings next year up from $4.75m to $16.76m. Onus really is on them finding another CB. If they neglect it then it’s the cost of business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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