NBA Offseason Thread: Durant will remain in Brooklyn

[AkronsWitness]

15 hours ago, DirtyDez said:

Would Memphis for sure not include JJJ in a deal for KD?  He’s always hurt and not an all-NBA caliber player.  Let’s say it’s JJJ/picks and they keep Bane/Ziaire…

There are a lot of good scenarios for KD to get traded to. Problem is, they are all in markets that he would never play for (which is why the NBA will never be better than the NFL)

For instance, why wouldnt he list the Bucks on his list or the Nuggets. A chance to pair up with 2 smaller ego'd superstars like Giannis/Jokic? Sounds perfect--but he would never accept a trade to either one of those places.

Do you know how dominant the Bucks would be with Jrue/Giannis/Durant if they shipped Middleton in a trade package?? But he would never agree to play in Milwaukee--and that is everything that is wrong with the NBA. Its a revolving door of the same 6-7 dudes changing places and combinations with the same 6-7 teams.

 

Edited July 4, 2022 by AkronsWitness

[J-ALL-DAY]

11 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said:

There are a lot of good scenarios for KD to get traded to. Problem is, they are all in markets that he would never play for (which is why the NBA will never be better than the NFL)

For instance, why wouldnt he list the Bucks on his list or the Nuggets. A chance to pair up with 2 smaller ego'd superstars like Giannis/Jokic? Sounds perfect--but he would never accept a trade to either one of those places.

Do you know how dominant the Bucks would be with Jrue/Giannis/Durant if they shipped Middleton in a trade package?? But he would never agree to play in Milwaukee--and that is everything that is wrong with the NBA. Its a revolving door of the same 6-7 dudes changing places and combinations with the same 6-7 teams.

 

What's he going to do if he gets traded to a place he doesn't want to go to? Retire? He has four years left on his deal and the Nets can trade him where ever they receive the best offer from. 

[AkronsWitness]

6 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

What's he going to do if he gets traded to a place he doesn't want to go to? Retire? He has four years left on his deal and the Nets can trade him where ever they receive the best offer from. 

Simple. He would tell the Bucks that he has no interest in suiting up for them and they would then pull the trade off the table. Just like the Pacers GM did to the Cavs when the deal was already worked out to send Paul George to CLE but he pulled the trade last second and sent him to OKC because George had beef with LeBron.

Edited July 4, 2022 by AkronsWitness

[11sanchez11]

1 minute ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

What's he going to do if he gets traded to a place he doesn't want to go to? Retire? He has four years left on his deal and the Nets can trade him where ever they receive the best offer from. 

this argument doesn't make sense to me because he has a 4 year contract with the Nets... why are they trading him?

[J-ALL-DAY]

Just now, AkronsWitness said:

Simple. He would tell the Bucks that he has no interest in suiting up for them and they would then pull the trade off the table. Just like the Pacers GM did to the Cavs when the deal was already worked out to send Paul George to CLE.

How are you going to compare the situations? Durant has FOUR years left with no player option. He's going to have to play on the team he gets traded to. The Nets won't trade him to a team like the Magic or Pacers but if the Nuggets somehow made the best offer, there is no reason to not pull the trigger on that deal. 

[J-ALL-DAY]

1 minute ago, 11sanchez11 said:

this argument doesn't make sense to me because he has a 4 year contract with the Nets... why are they trading him?

They don't have to, do they? Not every player who has demanded a trade has been traded. If the Nets can't get a great deal, then they shouldn't move him, regardless if he is upset or not. In fact, I wouldn't trade him and give it one more run with Simmons playing next season. 

Once again, what exactly is he going to do if they don't trade him? Not show up? Retire? Durant doesn't have the leverage other players who demanded trades with one or two years left on their deal. 

[AkronsWitness]

2 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

How are you going to compare the situations? Durant has FOUR years left with no player option. He's going to have to play on the team he gets traded to. The Nets won't trade him to a team like the Magic or Pacers but if the Nuggets somehow made the best offer, there is no reason to not pull the trigger on that deal. 

How many years left you have on your contract means nothing....at all.

Durant has 4 years left on his contract and hes demanding a trade. Kyrie had 2 years left on his contract and he demanded a trade. James Harden had 2 years left on his deal and demanded a trade.

This 'new NBA' of demanding trades whenever you want and actually getting it makes the years/value of your contract essentially worthless. Its nothing but a placeholder until you want to leave.

[11sanchez11]

7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

They don't have to, do they?

if they don't have to then why are they?

7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Not every player who has demanded a trade has been traded.

such as?

7 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Once again, what exactly is he going to do if they don't trade him? Not show up? Retire? Durant doesn't have the leverage other players who demanded trades with one or two years left on their deal. 

yes or just a pull a harden and give as little effort as possible. like the nets have ben simmons and had harden on the roster you don't think they understand the power of the player?

Edited July 4, 2022 by 11sanchez11

[agarcia34]

KD screwed himself when he signed that 4 year deal. You give up all the player power. Could basically force the front office to do anything you want. KD is not the type of guy who would just retire. He loves basketball to much. 
 

Nets don’t seem to be in a hurry to trade him which they shouldn’t and the longer this goes on the more likely he isn’t traded. 

[DirtyDez]

19 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

What's he going to do if he gets traded to a place he doesn't want to go to? Retire? He has four years left on his deal and the Nets can trade him where ever they receive the best offer from. 

He’s probably having his agent tell teams he doesn’t want to play there.  Might be why the offers they’re getting aren’t great. 

[stl4life07]

9 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said:

if they don't have to then why are they?

such as?

yes or just a pull a harden and give as little effort as possible. like the nets have ben simmons and had harden on the roster you don't think they understand the power of the player?

Kobe demanded the Lakers trade him in 2007 and had the Bulls as his preferred destination. Lakers didn’t do it.

If KD doesn’t get traded he could retire or sit out or give little to no effort. He could even fake an injury or if he got hurt he could milk the injury like Kawhi did and not come back sooner or on schedule just to frustrate Nets organization. It still won’t matter bc he is soon to be 34 and by the time his 4yrs is up and he will be 38 soon to be 39 and a FA then. The Nets could have the last laugh having KD old and wasted his last handful of years bc he was being petty throwing a fit bc he didn’t get what he want after not fulfilling his 4yr contract obligation.

Eventually some organization have to draw a line bc more players will do what KD is doing. Happy one minute signs a long term deal then become unhappy for whatever reason and demands a trade before spending one second of that long term deal. That’s hurting the league. I personally don’t want to see players trapped but I also don’t want to see an anything goes style of a league either. A fanbase should be happy when their star signs a long term deal to stay with their team. Now if a star signs a long term deal it means nothing. You just hope tomorrow he doesn’t wake up and want to get traded to another team. 

[J-ALL-DAY]

1 hour ago, 11sanchez11 said:

if they don't have to then why are they?

such as?

yes or just a pull a harden and give as little effort as possible. like the nets have ben simmons and had harden on the roster you don't think they understand the power of the player?

Are you saying they have to trade him? 

Um, let's see, Kobe demanded a trade. Did the Lakers trade him? Different sport, but Deebo requested a trade, did/are the Niners going to trade him? 

So you're saying KD will put minimal effort if he is on the court until he is moved like Harden? For four years he's going to do that? Because KD is one guy that has ever done something like that? IF that is the fear, I would love to see them call his bluff. 

The Nets don't need to just move him because he wants to be moved. If they want this drama and experiment to end and want to kind of rebuild/reload with a different core, that is fine. But no way should they just trade him to a contender with an inferior package just because he wants out. That makes no damn sense at all. 

[J-ALL-DAY]

1 hour ago, DirtyDez said:

He’s probably having his agent tell teams he doesn’t want to play there.  Might be why the offers they’re getting aren’t great. 

And? I fully get teams wanting to do right with their superstar to an extent. Again, we aren't talking about moving him to Orlando or Sacramento. But if it came down to a team like Denver or Phoenix with Denver having the better package, then the easy choice is going with the Denver package. 

The top two destinations have been leaked but the Nets would be stupid not trying to move him elsewhere if they get a better package. And if they can't get ANY package they deem good enough, then bring him up and run it with the team they have. 

[J-ALL-DAY]

2 hours ago, AkronsWitness said:

How many years left you have on your contract means nothing....at all.

Durant has 4 years left on his contract and hes demanding a trade. Kyrie had 2 years left on his contract and he demanded a trade. James Harden had 2 years left on his deal and demanded a trade.

This 'new NBA' of demanding trades whenever you want and actually getting it makes the years/value of your contract essentially worthless. Its nothing but a placeholder until you want to leave.

It absolutely matters how many years are left on the deal. A player demanding a trade with two years left on the deal or slightly less than two years (Harden/Davis/etc) puts pressure on a non-contending organization since the countdown begins and the offseason is going to be a mess with the player giving no assurance of returning. We are FAR away from that with KD. He has no player option and is locked in for four years. He's also 34 years old so thinking he will just dog it out for the last remaining years of his career is laughable. 

Organizations can stand strong and not trade a player when they demand out. 49ers didn't just move Deebo this offseason because he wanted out. They took offers and were not satisfied so they kept him. Kobe demanded out and went on SAS's show saying he will never play for the Lakers again and they took offers but were not satisfied so they kept him. Why? Because they had him under contract for three years and there wasn't a damn thing Kobe could have done about it. 

Edited July 4, 2022 by J-ALL-DAY

[stl4life07]

52 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said:

Are you saying they have to trade him? 

Um, let's see, Kobe demanded a trade. Did the Lakers trade him? Different sport, but Deebo requested a trade, did/are the Niners going to trade him? 

So you're saying KD will put minimal effort if he is on the court until he is moved like Harden? For four years he's going to do that? Because KD is one guy that has ever done something like that? IF that is the fear, I would love to see them call his bluff. 

The Nets don't need to just move him because he wants to be moved. If they want this drama and experiment to end and want to kind of rebuild/reload with a different core, that is fine. But no way should they just trade him to a contender with an inferior package just because he wants out. That makes no damn sense at all. 

Reports are that KD has zero interest in being traded to a team that doesnt have at least two all-star level players. Its going to take at least one if not two all-star level players in a package to trade to the Nets for KD or else the Nets arent going to trade him. KD is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Thats being delusional. If Im the Nets Id go to KD and his agent and say "we tried to trade you but nobody would give us a trade package that would satisfy our needs thus you arent getting traded".

And as we both pointed out, what is KD going to do? Retire? Sit out for the next 4yrs? Fake an injury? Give little to no effort on the court? Play but if he gets hurt slow play his way getting back out on the court (that means a 2 week injury he will come back in 2 months)? All of that basically to frustrate the Nets in hopes he does get what he want.

And if he does all of that, the Nets can just shrug and say "we still arent trading you unless we get what we want". Literally KD will be 38 with soon to be 39 when his 4yr deal with the Nets is up. If the Nets wanted to they could give him the big "F U" and say you will be a FA at 38 going on 39 THEN you can go join a team you want too. Bc again it sounds like KD want everything his way and trying to stick it to the Nets by having all these demands.