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warfelg Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 8 hours ago, August4th said: 8 wins guarantees another non-losing season during the ben era .. Actually the Tomlin Era has never had a losing season. But it's ok we must never give him credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 if the steelers ever wanted to change their uniforms I hope they work off the color rush uniforms... really would love to see diff versions of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 15 hours ago, warfelg said: Actually the Tomlin Era has never had a losing season. But it's ok we must never give him credit. We all know that's only because Tomlin has Ben to lean on. Lets just ignore guys like Norv Turner, Mike McCoy, Sean Payton, Mike Smith and Tom Coughlin all had franchise QBs and still had numerous losing seasons. Lets ignore that we are 8-2 this season IN SPITE of how Ben has played AT TIMES THIS YEAR. But oh yeah....its the players on defense and guys like Bell and Brown who deserve the credit...but Tomlin doesnt deserve credit for any of those guys. If they screw up though....its clearly Mike's fault. I mean.....why cant Martavis stop smoking weed and dropping passes? Thanks Tomlin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 8 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said: We all know that's only because Tomlin has Ben to lean on. Lets just ignore guys like Norv Turner, Mike McCoy, Sean Payton, Mike Smith and Tom Coughlin all had franchise QBs and still had numerous losing seasons. Lets ignore that we are 8-2 this season IN SPITE of how Ben has played AT TIMES THIS YEAR. But oh yeah....its the players on defense and guys like Bell and Brown who deserve the credit...but Tomlin doesnt deserve credit for any of those guys. If they screw up though....its clearly Mike's fault. I mean.....why cant Martavis stop smoking weed and dropping passes? Thanks Tomlin. I'm reminded of this scene in Liar Liar every time someone does something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAE7uOO_4v4 Plenty of coaches have had losing seasons with franchise QB's, very few have had multiple winning seasons without one. And the list of coaches that have winning records with their backup QB is even shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, warfelg said: I'm reminded of this scene in Liar Liar every time someone does something like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAE7uOO_4v4 Plenty of coaches have had losing seasons with franchise QB's, very few have had multiple winning seasons without one. And the list of coaches that have winning records with their backup QB is even shorter. Do you know his record with backups? I'd like to see that. As I've said before: (facetiously) Many teams around the league would kill for the kind of "mediocrity" that Tomlin brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, JLambert58 said: Do you know his record with backups? I'd like to see that. As I've said many times: (facetiously) Many teams around the league would kill for the kind of "mediocrity" that Tomlin brings. Off the top of my head I think he's 9-8 or 10-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 5 minutes ago, warfelg said: Off the top of my head I think he's 9-8 or 10-8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 9-8 after checking up on it. My mind is like a finely tuned fish net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 FWIW I think BB with a 12-7 with backups is the only other HC with a franchise QB who has a winning record with his backup starting (9-6 with Cassell, 2-0 Garappollo, 1-1 Brissett). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, warfelg said: FWIW I think BB with a 12-7 with backups is the only other HC with a franchise QB who has a winning record with his backup starting (9-6 with Cassell, 2-0 Garappollo, 1-1 Brissett). Mark of a good team with a good coach apparently. Cassell 9-6? Give me Chuck Batch 10/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, JLambert58 said: Mark of a good team with a good coach apparently. Cassell 9-6? Give me Chuck Batch 10/10. That Cassel season was one with a good line, 2 500+ yard RB's, 2 1000+ yard WRs in Welker and Moss. Defense was quite elite that year too, especially in the front 7 (Mayo, Brushi, Wilfork, Vrabel, Seymour). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 minute ago, warfelg said: That Cassel season was one with a good line, 2 500+ yard RB's, 2 1000+ yard WRs in Welker and Moss. Defense was quite elite that year too, especially in the front 7 (Mayo, Brushi, Wilfork, Vrabel, Seymour). Yeah good points on that season. My personal memory of that season: I was the backup QB on my flag football team that year and our starter got hurt. I took over after a couple games and led my team to the league championship. Thought of myself as the Matt Cassell of the league that year. lol And like Matt, it was never repeated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 10 hours ago, warfelg said: 9-8 after checking up on it. My mind is like a finely tuned fish net. And its worth noting that many of those losses were CLOSE losses vs pretty good teams. As youll see, the Ravens have really benefitted from Ben being out, although they only usually beat us by 3 points with our backups in.... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200911290rav.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201010030pit.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201211180pit.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201510010pit.htm https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201510250kan.htm I actually think Tomlin and his teams rise very well to adversity (except vs the Patriots). Problem is, his teams become too lackadaisical when it comes to games they should win. Thats a problem, but its a problem Ill live with as long as we are making the playoffs year after year. I just like to laugh at the people who act like he would be easily replaceable. Even with all his faults, he is still, at worst, a top 7 head coach in this league, and while there may be other coaches in this league who COULD be better, they wouldnt necessarily be easy to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 I think the steelers can survive without ben with tomlin coaching.. we would be like those 90s cowher teams with our young defense rising as the face of the team...getting a franchise QB will still be key for runs at winning a Superbowl and not just going 10-6 and losing in the div round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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