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QB Tier List Poll:  

23 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you agree with your teams QB ranking?

    • Way too low.... what are these coaches and executives they polled for this smoking???
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    • They are ranked properly or close enough where I can't complain too much.
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    • Way too high.... I don't expect anyone to really chose this one, but thought I'd include it anyways.
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Soggust

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10 minutes ago, HoboRocket said:

That's interesting. I have the three clumped together, with Murray just ahead of Carr but just behind Cousins as a passer. When you factor in his legs and improvisation skills, he's ahead of both. But I guess I'm a homer.


Nah, I don't think it's homer-ish. 

Without looking it up I would have had Carr > Cousins > Murray, but I think I might go Cousins > Murray > Carr in hindsight.

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29
2 Kyler Murray 2019 2021 46 46 22-23-1 1057 1581 66.9 11480 70 93.9 88 34 106 771 7.3 7.18 6.35 6.27 314 1786 20 5.7 57

 

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Derek Carr 2019 2021 37 49 25-24-0 1137 1656 68.7 12961 71 98.4 85 31 95 575 7.8 7.84 7.07 7.09 106 330 5 3.1 22
2 Kyler Murray 2019 2021 46 46 22-23-1 1057 1581 66.9 11480 70 93.9 88 34 106 771 7.3 7.18 6.35 6.27 314 1786 20 5.7 57

 

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Derek Carr 2019 2021 37 49 25-24-0 1137 1656 68.7 12961 71 98.4 85 31 95 575 7.8 7.84 7.07 7.09 106 330 5 3.1 22
2 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29
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The BILLievers

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21 minutes ago, HoboRocket said:

That's interesting. I have the three clumped together, with Murray just ahead of Carr but just behind Cousins as a passer. When you factor in his legs and improvisation skills, he's ahead of both. But I guess I'm a homer.

Yeah its tough I'd probably go Carr, Murray, Cousins but Murray has the talent/skill level to pass him probably this season. I'd say Murray is well ahead of Cousins though.

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MikeT14

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6 hours ago, Soggust said:

It's probably the best media list I've seen but a couple critiques - 

  • Should be an extra tier to split Allen/Herbert/Burrow from Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.

Like a 1A and 1B almost. I get you. 

  • Should also probably be a Cousins, Murray, Dak, Carr, Ryan tier
  • Kirk Cousins about 4-5 spots too low

Eh, you think? I'd take everyone in those spots except maybe Matt Ryan.

 

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2 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

Like a 1A and 1B almost. I get you. 

Sure. I don't think it's a huge gap, but I don't see an argument for any of them above Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes unless you are projecting something for next season. It's more of just them having proved more consistency than necessarily having more talent or whatever.
 

3 minutes ago, MikeT14 said:

Eh, you think? I'd take everyone in those spots except maybe Matt Ryan.

I feel like you are wrong because I just instantly think "Would I ever want Derek Carr/Cousins/Murray/Ryan over Stafford/Wilson/Jackson? Nah, clear gap", but I'm having a hard time formulating it statistically/realistically lol so I'm coming to accept there is a solid chance I'm just wrong. It's prolly close enough it doesn't need a gap. 

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1 minute ago, Soggust said:

I feel like you are wrong because I just instantly think "Would I ever want Derek Carr/Cousins/Murray/Ryan over Stafford/Wilson/Jackson? Nah, clear gap", but I'm having a hard time formulating it statistically/realistically lol so I'm coming to accept there is a solid chance I'm just wrong. It's prolly close enough it doesn't need a gap. 

I'm talking more about you saying Cousins was 4 or 5 spots too low and I wouldn't take Cousins over any of these except maybe Ryan.

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10. Lamar Jackson

11. Dak Prescott

12. Derek Carr

13. Kyler Murray

14. Matt Ryan

 

 

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I'm talking more about you saying Cousins was 4 or 5 spots too low and I wouldn't take Cousins over any of these except maybe Ryan.

 

I'll take Cousins over all of them except Lamar, who I'll take due to MVP + record.
 

Stats are last 3 but can split them however you want:

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      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29
2 Kyler Murray 2019 2021 46 46 22-23-1 1057 1581 66.9 11480 70 93.9 88 34 106 771 7.3 7.18 6.35 6.27 314 1786 20 5.7 57

 

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Derek Carr 2019 2021 37 49 25-24-0 1137 1656 68.7 12961 71 98.4 85 31 95 575 7.8 7.84 7.07 7.09 106 330 5 3.1 22
2 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29

 

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Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng Rec Yds TD Y/R Lng
1 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29 0 0 0   0
2 Dak Prescott 2019 2021 35 37 21-16-0 949 1414 67.1 11207 76 101.6 62 25 63 361 7.9 8.21 7.34 7.61 118 516 7 4.4 42 1 11 1 11.0 11

 

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29
2 Lamar Jackson 2019 2021 54 42 31-11-0 753 1159 65.0 8766 78 100.1 83 28 90 456 7.6 7.82 6.65 6.89 468 2978 16 6.4 50

 

      Passing Rushing
Rk Player From To AV G QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Rate Lng Int Sk Yds Y/A AY/A NY/A ANY/A Att Yds TD Y/A Lng
1 Kirk Cousins 2019 2021 41 47 25-22-0 1028 1521 67.6 12089 94 105.0 71 26 95 659 7.9 8.41 7.07 7.51 92 334 3 3.6 29
2 Matt Ryan 2019 2021 36 48 18-30-0 1190 1802 66.0 13015 72 92.0 93 37 129 847 7.2 7.10 6.30 6.18 103 321 4 3.1 17

 

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The BILLievers

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17 minutes ago, Soggust said:

Sure. I don't think it's a huge gap, but I don't see an argument for any of them above Rodgers/Brady/Mahomes unless you are projecting something for next season. It's more of just them having proved more consistency than necessarily having more talent or whatever.
 

I feel like you are wrong because I just instantly think "Would I ever want Derek Carr/Cousins/Murray/Ryan over Stafford/Wilson/Jackson? Nah, clear gap", but I'm having a hard time formulating it statistically/realistically lol so I'm coming to accept there is a solid chance I'm just wrong. It's prolly close enough it doesn't need a gap. 

I actually do agree and the 3 of them have the super bowl so I guess you have to put them over Allen but the past (2) seasons are below: 

  • Last 33 regular season games (2 seasons) :
    • Total Touchdowns:
      • 1 - Rodgers - 91 TDs
      • T-2 - Allen - 88 TDs
      • T-2 - Brady - 88 TDs
      • 4 - Mahomes 79 TDs 
    • Total Yards
      • 1 - Mahomes - 10,268 yards
      • 2 - Allen - 10,135 yards
      • 3 - Brady - 10,036 yards
      • 4 - Rodgers - 8,664 yards
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I think the order is spot on for most part, I'd just tier them differently (and add another tier).

Without changing the order (which I don't agree 100% with but it's nitpicking), here is how I'd have it:

 

Tier 1:

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Patrick Mahomes

3. Tom Brady

4. Josh Allen

 

Tier 2:

5. Justin Herbert

6. Joe Burrow

7. Matthew Stafford

8. Russell Wilson

9. Deshaun Watson

 

Tier 3:

10. Lamar Jackson

11. Dak Prescott

12. Derek Carr

13. Kyler Murray

14. Matt Ryan

15. Kirk Cousins

 

Tier 4:

16. Jimmy Garoppolo

17. Ryan Tannehill

18. Mac Jones

19. Baker Mayfield

T-20. Jalen Hurts

T-20. Carson Wentz

22. Jared Goff

23. Trevor Lawrence

24. Jameis Winston

 

Cousins definitely got done the dirtiest being thrown in tier 4. Tannehill doesn't belong in that tier either but I can see the argument that he is in decline as his physical ability might be waning.

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11 minutes ago, The BILLievers said:

I actually do agree and the 3 of them have the super bowl so I guess you have to put them over Allen but the past (2) seasons are below: 

  • Last 33 regular season games (2 seasons) :
    • Total Touchdowns:
      • 1 - Rodgers - 91 TDs
      • T-2 - Allen - 88 TDs
      • T-2 - Brady - 88 TDs
      • 4 - Mahomes 79 TDs 
    • Total Yards
      • 1 - Mahomes - 10,268 yards
      • 2 - Allen - 10,135 yards
      • 3 - Brady - 10,036 yards
      • 4 - Rodgers - 8,664 yards

Yep. If Allen played all 4 years like he did the last two, he would be in my Tier 1. It's not a talent issue, it's a consistency issue which is why I have him in the Herbert/Burrow tier, whom I consider to be capable of an MVP season, but I just need to see it done longer.

I hate to even say "consistency issue" because it's not even really that he's inconsistent, it's just that we are comparing to two of the GOATs (one literal goat and one coming off back to back MVPs). The only reason Mahomes is in the Brady/Rodgers tier imo is because he has a ring, two sb trips, 4 AFC championships with a 50-13 reg season record in 4 years starting. He's literally shown consistency at a level that has never been seen before to start a career.

And I have him #3.

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5 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

I think the order is spot on for most part, I'd just tier them differently (and add another tier).

Without changing the order (which I don't agree 100% with but it's nitpicking), here is how I'd have it:

 

Tier 1:

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Patrick Mahomes

3. Tom Brady

4. Josh Allen

 

Tier 2:

5. Justin Herbert

6. Joe Burrow

7. Matthew Stafford

8. Russell Wilson

9. Deshaun Watson

 

Tier 3:

10. Lamar Jackson

11. Dak Prescott

12. Derek Carr

13. Kyler Murray

14. Matt Ryan

15. Kirk Cousins

 

Tier 4:

16. Jimmy Garoppolo

17. Ryan Tannehill

18. Mac Jones

19. Baker Mayfield

T-20. Jalen Hurts

T-20. Carson Wentz

22. Jared Goff

23. Trevor Lawrence

24. Jameis Winston

 

Cousins definitely got done the dirtiest being thrown in tier 4. Tannehill doesn't belong in that tier either but I can see the argument that he is in decline as his physical ability might be waning.

Yeah. I think adding in an extra tier to separate guys like you & others said would’ve made it nearly perfect.

I agree Cousins got done kinda dirty by the tiers. I think he’s kinda seen as like the Mendoza line for franchise QBs. I’d probably move him above Ryan at least coming off last year and have Tannehill ahead of Jimmy.

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6 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

I think the order is spot on for most part, I'd just tier them differently (and add another tier).

Without changing the order (which I don't agree 100% with but it's nitpicking), here is how I'd have it:

 

Tier 1:

1. Aaron Rodgers

2. Patrick Mahomes

3. Tom Brady

4. Josh Allen

 

Tier 2:

5. Justin Herbert

6. Joe Burrow

7. Matthew Stafford

8. Russell Wilson

9. Deshaun Watson

 

Tier 3:

10. Lamar Jackson

11. Dak Prescott

12. Derek Carr

13. Kyler Murray

14. Matt Ryan

15. Kirk Cousins

 

Tier 4:

16. Jimmy Garoppolo

17. Ryan Tannehill

18. Mac Jones

19. Baker Mayfield

T-20. Jalen Hurts

T-20. Carson Wentz

22. Jared Goff

23. Trevor Lawrence

24. Jameis Winston

 

Cousins definitely got done the dirtiest being thrown in tier 4. Tannehill doesn't belong in that tier either but I can see the argument that he is in decline as his physical ability might be waning.

I agree with this breakdown of the tiers more. I just don't feel comfortable putting Herbert in the same grouping as Rodgers, Brady and Mahomes. He's insanely promising, but he's not there.

Though to nitpick, I'd probably leave Lamar Jackson in tier 2. 

And it goes without saying but Mac Jones should immediatly be jumped to tier 1. 

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8 hours ago, HoboRocket said:

I'd guess it's because when we last saw Wilson, he was playing way below his typical level. For Stafford, consistency has been a concern for much of his career. Dude's a great passer, but I'd take Burrow over him right now. They're probably about fair.

 

For next year alone I would definitely not take Burrow over Stafford

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