4209 Posted April 18, 2023 Share Posted April 18, 2023 (edited) Drew Sanders LB Arkansas 47 @turtle28 interesting did you you know Sanders palyed all position in high school (Denton Ryan Tx). I think he will make a good TE in due time. Very athletic but b/c he plays many positions he hasn't had many swing at bats in one position if you knw what I mean. When I saw him play in high school he was at his best as a pass rusher. This is the guy who stopped Marvin Mims team from winning state. No one could stop Marvin Mims who was double teames ans sometimes triple teamed. However a constant pass rush lead by Sanders sent Mims team packing. Like Tomlison and Vaugh as well. Edited April 18, 2023 by 4209 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 7 hours ago, e16bball said: McShay/Kiper did their big “back and forth” feature where they alternate making the picks through Round 3. They had us coming away with OT Darnell Wright, CB Kelee Ringo, and TE Zack Kuntz. This would be a pretty good draft for me. You get your higher-floor RT type at 16, then you get two elite athletes with high ceilings at need positions after that. I’ve been down on Ringo throughout the season — but when you have size, long arms, and speed, you can always be molded into something by NFL coaching. I hated him at 16 (or higher, like people were previously suggesting) but at 47, the kid is well worth the gamble. Similar with Kuntz. You’re the best athlete ever recorded at your position? And it’s a position where athletic traits often coincide with untapped star potential? Okay, we’ll roll the dice. Still leaves us awfully dry in terms of an upside edge rusher, any LBs at all, and perhaps a pass-catching RB or a slot WR who can return kicks. But it’s a good start. Can’t fill all the needs (wants?) without having more picks, but that would be solid for standing pat. Except they had Dawand Jones and Anton Harrison going after we took Kelee Ringo. Not sure Wright is really that much better than either of those two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 hours ago, 4209 said: Drew Sanders LB Arkansas 47 @turtle28 interesting did you you know Sanders palyed all position in high school (Denton Ryan Tx). I think he will make a good TE in due time. Very athletic but b/c he plays many positions he hasn't had many swing at bats in one position if you knw what I mean. When I saw him play in high school he was at his best as a pass rusher. This is the guy who stopped Marvin Mims team from winning state. No one could stop Marvin Mims who was double teames ans sometimes triple teamed. However a constant pass rush lead by Sanders sent Mims team packing. Like Tomlison and Vaugh as well. He played LB at Arkansas didn't he? It's hard to imagine him switching positions in the pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 11 hours ago, ARTMONK HOF said: I will be so mad if we take a DE in round 1. So many higher needs. I could see taking a pass rush specialist in the mid rounds for 3rd & long - even though I like Shaka Toney in that role - for run downs we have JSW, Obada & Toohill for Chase/Sweat insurance. Should Chase or Sweat not be on our team in 2024, then draft a DE in the 2024 draft high, not this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Offensive Tackles/ Mid-Late 1st rd B. Jones A. Harrison D. Wright Tight Ends/ Mid-Late 1st rd D. Kincaid M. Mayer D. Washington Cornerbacks/ Mid-Late 1st rd J. Porter D. Banks B.Branch Offensive Guards/ Mid-Late 1st rd O. Torrence Running Backs/ Mid-Late 1st rd B. Robinson Edge-DE/ Mid-Late 1st rd L. Van Ness M. Murphy W. McDonald This is roughly the majority of the guys you see in Mocks. Unless we really go crazy and choose a QB/WR/DT/LB these are the positions we’ll be considering at 16. Edited April 19, 2023 by ARTMONK HOF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, e16bball said: McShay/Kiper did their big “back and forth” feature where they alternate making the picks through Round 3. They had us coming away with OT Darnell Wright, CB Kelee Ringo, and TE Zack Kuntz. This would be a pretty good draft for me. You get your higher-floor RT type at 16, then you get two elite athletes with high ceilings at need positions after that. I’ve been down on Ringo throughout the season — but when you have size, long arms, and speed, you can always be molded into something by NFL coaching. I hated him at 16 (or higher, like people were previously suggesting) but at 47, the kid is well worth the gamble. Similar with Kuntz. You’re the best athlete ever recorded at your position? And it’s a position where athletic traits often coincide with untapped star potential? Okay, we’ll roll the dice. Still leaves us awfully dry in terms of an upside edge rusher, any LBs at all, and perhaps a pass-catching RB or a slot WR who can return kicks. But it’s a good start. Can’t fill all the needs (wants?) without having more picks, but that would be solid for standing pat. Zach Kuntz seems like a reach in round 3. I'd rather take a slot CB, a LB or and interior OL there than a developmental TE when we already have 4 TE's developing behind Logan Thomas. On Nfl.com they suggested that Kuntz is a day 3 pick who a team would stash on it's practice squad to stash & develop his route running. That sounds like Hodges! https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zack-kuntz/32004b55-4e18-4573-2a82-42b17b1995fa Edited April 19, 2023 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 37 minutes ago, ARTMONK HOF said: Offensive Tackles/ Mid-Late 1st rd B. Jones A. Harrison D. Wright Tight Ends/ Mid-Late 1st rd D. Kincaid M. Mayer D. Washington Cornerbacks/ Mid-Late 1st rd J. Porter D. Banks B.Branch Offensive Guards/ Mid-Late 1st rd O. Torrence Running Backs/ Mid-Late 1st rd B. Robinson Edge-DE/ Mid-Late 1st rd L. Van Ness M. Murphy W. McDonald This is roughly the majority of the guys you see in Mocks. Unless we really go crazy and choose a QB/WR/DT/LB these are the positions we’ll be considering. Good list but I’d expect nothing less from a Hall of Famer. Are we giving up on the possibility that Witherspoonn may be there for us at 16? Bc I'm not. I’d also not limit us to just taking a OG/Torrence in round 1. We can take one of the OTs prospects and then have Wiley play RG like he did as a young OL or if Peter S. or Parris Johnson are available they can play G or T. Peter S may be a better option at OG rather than OT. And, Parris Johnson started all 13 games at right guard in 2021 for Ohio State. So, if we take either of those two guys, they could be our starting RG. Edited April 19, 2023 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTMONK HOF Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 2 minutes ago, turtle28 said: Good list but if expect nothing less from a Hall of Famer. Are we giving up on the possibility that Witherspoonn may be there for us at 16? Bc I'm not. I’d also not limit us to just taking a OG/Torrence in round 1. We can take one of the OTs prospects and then have Wiley play RG like he did as a young OL or if Peter S. or Parris Johnson are available they can play G or T. Peter S may be a better option at OG rather than OT. And, Parris Johnson started all 13 games at right guard in 2021 for Ohio State. So, if we take either of those two guys, they could be our starting RG. I really don’t think Witherspoon will be there but you never know. Draft is not an exact science. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskins Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 TE definitely scares me as they have been boosted so high, and those havent necessarily turned out to be the savior - Fant, Hurst, Njoku, OJ Howard, Engram. Jury is still out on Pitts (He's a WR) and Hockenson seems legit. That said, I enjoyed reading this, especially after some of you were mentioning Kuntz - gotta keep that Heinecke ODU magic with him. Also was annoyed at being mocked Banks from UMD, thought that was a reach. Still primarily hoping for a top OT or Witherspoon/Gonzales, but... https://riggosrag.com/2023/04/18/4-relative-athletic-score-gods-commanders-draft-2023/4/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 hour ago, turtle28 said: Zach Kuntz seems like a reach in round 3. I'd rather take a slot CB, a LB or and interior OL there than a developmental TE when we already have 4 TE's developing behind Logan Thomas. On Nfl.com they suggested that Kuntz is a day pick who a team would stash on it's practice squad to stash & develop his route running. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zack-kuntz/32004b55-4e18-4573-2a82-42b17b1995fa I think NFL.con is going to be a little surprised with where he ends up going, then. I think it’s a little wild that folks think Luke Musgrave might go in the 1st, but Kuntz is a stretch in the 3rd-4th. Why? Not more productive. Not more durable. Not more athletic. Not a more coveted recruit. Better blocker, but it’s not like he’s great either. It’s a huge gamble on either one — but what makes Musgrave such a better bet? It’s not that Kuntz is just a good athlete. Or even a really good athlete. He’s the single best TE athlete by RAS in the history of that metric. He’s rated “elite” in all 3 aspects of the testing: explosion, speed, and agility. And it’s a position where being an elite athlete matters. Almost all of the best TEs in recent memory are 9+ RAS guys. I’d much rather see him with the 4th rounder. But if a guy like Bieniemy sees him as a potential star in his system, I’m not going to be the least bit mad if they pull the trigger on him earlier. All that said, I still think I consider LaPorta at 47 to he probably the best value pick at TE available to us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I think everyone knows by now that this is the game that will get Darnell Wright drafted in the top half of the 1st. And he did kick Will Anderson’s *** pretty much all day, there’s no doubt about it. But if you’re trying to get a sense of what the kid is about, there’s one play that I think stands out to give you some insight. Right at the 12:00 mark of this video. UT is down a TD with 3:30 left in the game. 4th and 5 from the Bama 30, Hooker throws a tipped ball pick into the endzone. Kool-Aid McKinstry catches it on the run and is streaking down the sideline. It looks for all the world like he’s going to score and seal the game for the Tide. The only ones still giving chase are a RB and…#58. Wright absorbs a block, keeps moving, and eventually forces Kool-Aid out of bounds. Inside the UT 20 yard line. Which means he chased down one of the best return men in the country, running about 60 yards in the process. Some questions hovering out there about some of these OTs’ personalities and attitudes (both Joneses come to mind), but seeing that tells me a lot about Wright. That kid is a winner. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 hours ago, turtle28 said: Zach Kuntz seems like a reach in round 3. I'd rather take a slot CB, a LB or and interior OL there than a developmental TE when we already have 4 TE's developing behind Logan Thomas. On Nfl.com they suggested that Kuntz is a day pick who a team would stash on it's practice squad to stash & develop his route running. https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zack-kuntz/32004b55-4e18-4573-2a82-42b17b1995fa Zero percent chance he would stay on your PS long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 8 hours ago, daskins said: TE definitely scares me as they have been boosted so high, and those havent necessarily turned out to be the savior - Fant, Hurst, Njoku, OJ Howard, Engram. Jury is still out on Pitts (He's a WR) and Hockenson seems legit. That said, I enjoyed reading this, especially after some of you were mentioning Kuntz - gotta keep that Heinecke ODU magic with him. Also was annoyed at being mocked Banks from UMD, thought that was a reach. Still primarily hoping for a top OT or Witherspoon/Gonzales, but... https://riggosrag.com/2023/04/18/4-relative-athletic-score-gods-commanders-draft-2023/4/ How is banks a reach but not Kutz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 8 hours ago, daskins said: TE definitely scares me as they have been boosted so high, and those havent necessarily turned out to be the savior - Fant, Hurst, Njoku, OJ Howard, Engram. Jury is still out on Pitts (He's a WR) and Hockenson seems legit. That said, I enjoyed reading this, especially after some of you were mentioning Kuntz - gotta keep that Heinecke ODU magic with him. Also was annoyed at being mocked Banks from UMD, thought that was a reach. Still primarily hoping for a top OT or Witherspoon/Gonzales, but... https://riggosrag.com/2023/04/18/4-relative-athletic-score-gods-commanders-draft-2023/4/ I swear I recently read somewhere that the metrics on Gonzales were not all that great. I'm trying to find it again but I was pretty shocked. Like he was giving up quite a bit of completions to his side. I'll look for it again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, turtle28 said: How is banks a reach but not Kutz? Well one would be at 16 and the other at 97... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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