RedGold Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 I’m going with Cuba in battle that could go either way. It will be interesting to see how Lancaster looks later in the year though, for a team that sold of some key pieces last year, they are trending upwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 This is close. I love the defense for Lancaster. I think they keep this a low scoring affair. I love the way they attacked Cuba with their run game and I think it will help Trevor and the passing game. I just don’t think Trevor does enough here. I feel like Hurts probably wins this one for Lancaster if he starts but I also would have started Trevor out the gate. Hurts would give a little more IT factor in my opinion. I think Cuba played smart coverage based on who their personnel is at the corner position. I think Jones struggles a bit in pass protection against Gary. The Cuba offense will have success with Keenan Allen, Mike Williams will have his hands full with Ramsey and Alexander and Jefferson will exchange wins. This was close I just feel Cuba is the more veteran team at key positions and I do think Rack gameplanned very well. I think Lancaster is going to be a problem this season for other teams. Well done both of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarok Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 I think that if this match up occurs again later in the season, Lancaster will be more likely to come out on top. Both teams have very good rosters and very good game plans, so the edge goes to the more veteran team at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted September 14, 2022 Share Posted September 14, 2022 Has it been pointed out that Lancaster plans a ground and pound offense with two really talented bruising backs against a team with only 2 total interior defensive lineman?? Reader is phenomenal but is a career sub 60% snap player while Sieler has only ever been a part time player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whicker Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Jlash said: Has it been pointed out that Lancaster plans a ground and pound offense with two really talented bruising backs against a team with only 2 total interior defensive lineman?? Reader is phenomenal but is a career sub 60% snap player while Sieler has only ever been a part time player. The Rashad Weaver listed as “DL” tricked me and is quite disingenuous with other players listed as edge. This to me is the difference in this game. Lancaster gets my vote. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 18 minutes ago, Whicker said: The Rashad Weaver listed as “DL” tricked me and is quite disingenuous with other players listed as edge. This to me is the difference in this game. Lancaster gets my vote. Weaver is an interior rusher on our team. He can play across the DL depending on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 hours ago, Jlash said: Has it been pointed out that Lancaster plans a ground and pound offense with two really talented bruising backs against a team with only 2 total interior defensive lineman?? Reader is phenomenal but is a career sub 60% snap player while Sieler has only ever been a part time player. I mentioned it in my gameplan specifically because I wanted to take advantage of this, it's literally the first sentence of my entire gameplan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 9/13/2022 at 3:21 PM, MD4L said: Why doesn’t every team do that? It’s because that’s schemed up. https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52476/why-wasnt-green-bay-packers-star-cb-jaire-alexander-on-wr-justin-jefferson-during-his-huge-game I think it's very fair to say that it's likely Jefferson wouldn't have had as big of a day if he'd been lined up against Jaire for a majority of the game. The Vikings didn't even need to scheme him away from Alexander, the Packers did it to themselves. And while you say it can be schemed up, I don't see anything in your game plan that specifically says you're planning to scheme him away or how you plan on doing it. You even specifically say that Jefferson will be lining up in isolation away from other receivers other than a RB being motioned to Jefferson's side. Don't think this creates many scheme opportunities for Jefferson to be covered by linebackers or safeties like he was on Sunday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 3 minutes ago, rackcs said: https://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/52476/why-wasnt-green-bay-packers-star-cb-jaire-alexander-on-wr-justin-jefferson-during-his-huge-game I think it's very fair to say that it's likely Jefferson wouldn't have had as big of a day if he'd been lined up against Jaire for a majority of the game. The Vikings didn't even need to scheme him away from Alexander, the Packers did it to themselves. And while you say it can be schemed up, I don't see anything in your game plan that specifically says you're planning to scheme him away or how you plan on doing it. You even specifically say that Jefferson will be lining up in isolation away from other receivers other than a RB being motioned to Jefferson's side. Don't think this creates many scheme opportunities for Jefferson to be covered by linebackers or safeties like he was on Sunday. We ignoring the motion from Nyheim Hines? If you’re playing man coverage and move a LB to the outside, Jefferson literally occupies the entire middle of the field. Even moreso, if you’re focusing LBs and a safety on Dalvin Cook, yes Jefferson has the opportunity to run across the field which does give him a fair combination of volume and opportunity for success. And in regard to the DL thing, unless you’re running the ball every play it allows us to easily rotate guys into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just now, MD4L said: We ignoring the motion from Nyheim Hines? If you’re playing man coverage and move a LB to the outside, Jefferson literally occupies the entire middle of the field. Even moreso, if you’re focusing LBs and a safety on Dalvin Cook, yes Jefferson has the opportunity to run across the field which does give him a fair combination of volume and opportunity for success. And in regard to the DL thing, unless you’re running the ball every play it allows us to easily rotate guys into the game. I did mention the RB motion in that comment. I'm saying, how are you scheming Jefferson away from Jaire all game to get him covered by LBs and safeties? I'm not saying Jaire would consistently shut down Jefferson but he certainly doesn't have a game like he did on Sunday. The majority of the damage Jefferson did was against linebackers and safeties. We avoid this mistake by shadowing Jaire on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 I actually completely agree with what racks just said. It's one of the things I kind of harp on often. I think there's a tendency for people to look at stats and do I get this guy was better this week. But do I think that Justin Jefferson would have succeeded at the level that he did against jayer Alexander in this particular game, And not in the linebacker coverage the Green Bay Packers actually decided to use? No I don't. I'm not saying that they wouldn't have any success but I am saying that these wide receivers would not succeed at the level that they did on Sunday especially Jefferson when he is actually being covered by an elite corner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 1 minute ago, rackcs said: I did mention the RB motion in that comment. I'm saying, how are you scheming Jefferson away from Jaire all game to get him covered by LBs and safeties? I'm not saying Jaire would consistently shut down Jefferson but he certainly doesn't have a game like he did on Sunday. The majority of the damage Jefferson did was against linebackers and safeties. We avoid this mistake by shadowing Jaire on him. If he’s running crossing routes, you’re literally asking Jaire to run with him for 4-7 seconds repeatedly. Does it mean he’ll have 9/184/2? Probably not, but he should be productive enough to keep the chains moving while the other pieces can influence and keep our offensive progressively on schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 We’re not delirious. We know what’s up. K’Wuan Williams on Keenan Allen though. And Brady is given autonomy to spread the wealth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, MD4L said: If he’s running crossing routes, you’re literally asking Jaire to run with him for 4-7 seconds repeatedly. Does it mean he’ll have 9/184/2? Probably not, but he should be productive enough to keep the chains moving while the other pieces can influence and keep our offensive progressively on schedule. Not when my pass rush consistently gets home against you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 Just now, rackcs said: Not when my pass rush consistently gets home against you Yeah the our pass pro is awful rhetoric is misguided. Especially with you lacking depth in that department. Those non Bosa/Watt plays are going to allow Brady time. And we can protect inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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