KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 29 minutes ago, 615finest said: Definitely not the end all and be all to evaluations, but for a QB that you might end up trading multiple 1st to go get, you'd like him have the least amount of unfixable flaws as possible. The ability to learn is hard to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, KingTitan said: Definitely not the end all and be all to evaluations, but for a QB that you might end up trading multiple 1st to go get, you'd like him have the least amount of unfixable flaws as possible. The ability to learn is hard to improve. Somehow I doubt that the founder of the company is a reliable source for how great his product is. We've literally never heard of this test before like two weeks ago, but suddenly it's the end all be all of QB scouting? I don't think the high score is gonna make Bryce Young any taller. And if this test supposedly says how well they read a defense, and Will Levis and Anthony Richardson scored higher than Stroud, I'm pretty ready to throw it in the garbage right away. This whole S2 thing needs to be taken with several grains of salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 Just now, Daniel said: Somehow I doubt that the founder of the company is a reliable source for how great his product is. We've literally never heard of this test before like two weeks ago, but suddenly it's the end all be all of QB scouting? I don't think the high score is gonna make Bryce Young any taller. And if this test supposedly says how well they read a defense, and Will Levis and Anthony Richardson scored higher than Stroud, I'm pretty ready to throw it in the garbage right away. This whole S2 thing needs to be taken with several grains of salt. Well it's been used since at least Burrow's class and teams are catching on. I think it's more than a couple grains of salt. People are subscribing to it and the correlation at least currently. It's a cognition measure. So wouldn't really mean much to Bryce's physical abilities, nor Stroud's. We know he can make every single throw. Likely the most accurate QB in this class and the last two. However, based on this measure, he has slow reaction along with whatever else they test. It is a great case study going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Daniel said: Somehow I doubt that the founder of the company is a reliable source for how great his product is. We've literally never heard of this test before like two weeks ago, but suddenly it's the end all be all of QB scouting? I don't think the high score is gonna make Bryce Young any taller. And if this test supposedly says how well they read a defense, and Will Levis and Anthony Richardson scored higher than Stroud, I'm pretty ready to throw it in the garbage right away. This whole S2 thing needs to be taken with several grains of salt. generally agree overall but i will say that the test supposedly has more to do with reaction time and processing speed, and in that sense i wouldn't be surprised if stroud lags. one of the biggest criticisms of his play is that he can be a tick slow getting through his progressions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 Just now, -Hope- said: generally agree overall but i will say that the test supposedly has more to do with reaction time and processing speed, and in that sense i wouldn't be surprised if stroud lags. one of the biggest criticisms of his play is that he can be a tick slow getting through his progressions. Exactly. That is one of his biggest concerns. He might know exactly where to go with the ball. Knows what is happening, but that hesitation to react, the test is said to measure. With Levis and Richardson, it isn't necessarily their ability to react and adapt to what the defense is doing, it's can they get it there accurately. I believe that's their biggest issue. Right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 This doesn't help the Hooker train. (giggty ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I’m shocked that Stroud scored so low that said. If I were a betting man, I think stroud is most likely to exceed projected expectations (ie Dak ceiling) and be a legit franchise qb that can win big games but I am not a betting man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 1 minute ago, deeluxx3 said: I’m shocked that Stroud scored so low that said. If I were a betting man, I think stroud is most likely to exceed projected expectations (ie Dak ceiling) and be a legit franchise qb that can win big games but I am not a betting man Don't think he will be a bust but won't meet the expectations of a high draft pick or someone that is worth trading multiple 1st for. Dak is a good ceiling projection. Any given season he could lead the league in TDs, or be middle of the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeluxx3 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, KingTitan said: Don't think he will be a bust but won't meet the expectations of a high draft pick or someone that is worth trading multiple 1st for. Dak is a good ceiling projection. Any given season he could lead the league in TDs, or be middle of the road. Statistically I agree with the Dak comparison I just don’t think Dak is capable of consistently winning big games in January. I think Stroud will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 25 minutes ago, -Hope- said: generally agree overall but i will say that the test supposedly has more to do with reaction time and processing speed, and in that sense i wouldn't be surprised if stroud lags. one of the biggest criticisms of his play is that he can be a tick slow getting through his progressions. Then I could see that, at least with Stroud. I still would question Levis scoring that high based on his output on the field. 17 minutes ago, KingTitan said: Exactly. That is one of his biggest concerns. He might know exactly where to go with the ball. Knows what is happening, but that hesitation to react, the test is said to measure. With Levis and Richardson, it isn't necessarily their ability to react and adapt to what the defense is doing, it's can they get it there accurately. I believe that's their biggest issue. Right? It's a big issue with both for sure, but I think with Richardson, his biggest issue is his reaction to adverse situations. He seemed to suffer from the quicksand issue pretty badly IIRC. For Levis, decisionmaking and pocket awareness are worse. Levis has, and I'm not exaggerating for effect, the worst feel for pressure of any QB I can ever remember watching in college (by watching, I mean watching to see how they might be as a pro, so that is the qualifier I'll throw in there). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
615finest Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 This is getting wild.. Vrabel must really be working his magic on making Stroud fall to us lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Daniel said: Then I could see that, at least with Stroud. I still would question Levis scoring that high based on his output on the field. It's a big issue with both for sure, but I think with Richardson, his biggest issue is his reaction to adverse situations. He seemed to suffer from the quicksand issue pretty badly IIRC. For Levis, decisionmaking and pocket awareness are worse. Levis has, and I'm not exaggerating for effect, the worst feel for pressure of any QB I can ever remember watching in college (by watching, I mean watching to see how they might be as a pro, so that is the qualifier I'll throw in there). Well, from my understanding the test isn't measuring if he is great in the pocket or any physical traits, nor really his decision making to a degree. It measures the ability to read, react, adapt and anticipate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans0021 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I have no interest in moving up for a QB. I won’t be upset if we trade for Stroud, but even that isn’t a dream scenario for me. I can talk myself into Richardson at 11. Maybe even Levis. Hooker I wouldn’t even touch until the second. Any trade up for a non Young/Stroud QB is a huge no-go for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingTitan Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 Cool. I'm good with it then. If they did their work and don't like any of them then lets trade back or pick the best thing we can at 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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