Push Gate - Adams Charged with Misdemeanor assault

[drfrey13]

1 minute ago, true2form said:

So a car runs a stop sign in front of you and you T-bone them, it's your fault?

Adams does not automatically have the right of way and under your scenario it would be similar to me speeding up to hit Carr and then watching him trapped in his car before leaving the scene of the accident.  Like I said you can say he just reacted to someone running in front of him but how he responded afterwards makes it look like he was just trying to take his frustration out on someone.

[BackinBlack]

Just now, drfrey13 said:

Adams does not automatically have the right of way and under your scenario it would be similar to me speeding up to hit Carr and then watching him trapped in his car before leaving the scene of the accident.  Like I said you can say he just reacted to someone running in front of him but how he responded afterwards makes it look like he was just trying to take his frustration out on someone.

But, the NFL does have a protocol, or at least should in this scenario. 
Players are tunneling into the locker rooms. . . . I dont believe that guy was supposed to be there. 
Both should have their heads up, but at the very least, Camera men, should be told it is a high traffic area, and players may be distracted so be on the look out. 

I agree the way Adams stood and just kept walking, doesnt look great, but we have no idea what the security guy was saying to Adams right after, either. 

[ronjon1990]

5 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

The previous poster was trying to say it was okay because of the circumstances.  My point was to show that your state of mind does not change whether or not something is illegal.  Just because Adams was angry does not allow him to be able to shove a random person.  If the circumstances where reversed and it was Kelce shoving a LV worker we all would be calling for him to be suspended.  The different angle does not help him either.

This. 

Had there been a push, a startled reaction, and any semblance of assistance offered, it's a moot point where two people collided and one fell. We see it during games all the time when guys fly out of bounds and take out someone on the sidelines. 

There was none of that. He clearly acted with intent to take his frustration out on someone. He shoved the guy, looked down at him, and walked off. That's never ok. 

[drfrey13]

6 hours ago, Styrian Raider said:

Adams pushed a guy, and he fell to the ground and he apologized later.
Why do you guys have to make a big deal out of it - You see such things all day in every school across the world.

I get it. Adams is a role model, and he should and will get a fine. But the discussion about that is just ridiculous.

This is not a discussion about what we want to happen but what we think will or should happen.  Right when it happened I said Adams is going to get a fine, possible suspension, and if the wants to he could press charges.  It was stupid on Adams part and he has no defense because of how he reacted when the guy fell.  Telling reporters he is sorry in the locker room after will not help.  I am saying it is incredibly stupid what he did and should have helped the guy up.  Others are trying to make excuses.  Overall Adams is not entitled to hurt someone because he is mad about something else and did it on TV.  

[drfrey13]

3 minutes ago, BackinBlack said:

But, the NFL does have a protocol, or at least should in this scenario. 
Players are tunneling into the locker rooms. . . . I dont believe that guy was supposed to be there. 
Both should have their heads up, but at the very least, Camera men, should be told it is a high traffic area, and players may be distracted so be on the look out. 

I agree the way Adams stood and just kept walking, doesnt look great, but we have no idea what the security guy was saying to Adams right after, either. 

This could be true about the security guard but it does not look good.

[ronjon1990]

1 minute ago, drfrey13 said:

This could be true about the security guard but it does not look good.

Yep. 

Problem is, the security guard doesn't control Adams. 

Moreover, the security guard almost certainly in this scenario is saying "Keep moving. Go. Go."

Someone removing a visibly hostile individual from a hostile situation still doesn't negate a previously committed hostile act. 

 

If my client shoved a reporter after court, I'm telling him "Keep walking, don't say a word, get tf in the car. We'll handle it later.". 

That isn't because he's getting off scot free. He's probably getting charged and sued. In that moment, my job is to keep him from causing more harm to himself and others. But it doesn't make what he did just disappear nor does it make it ok. 

That's the security guard's role in this scenario. He mitigated further issues. But that doesn't negate the initial act. 

[Styrian Raider]

1 minute ago, drfrey13 said:

This is not a discussion about what we want to happen but what we think will or should happen.  Right when it happened I said Adams is going to get a fine, possible suspension, and if the wants to he could press charges.  It was stupid on Adams part and he has no defense because of how he reacted when the guy fell.  Telling reporters he is sorry in the locker room after will not help.  I am saying it is incredibly stupid what he did and should have helped the guy up.  Others are trying to make excuses.  Overall Adams is not entitled to hurt someone because he is mad about something else and did it on TV.  

You're still trying to blow up the whole situation.

I agree that he shouldn't do it in first place. And also maybe he should've helped the man up.
But seriously, where is the "scandal"? It's not like he'd punched the reporter in the face.

[true2form]

8 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

Adams does not automatically have the right of way and under your scenario it would be similar to me speeding up to hit Carr and then watching him trapped in his car before leaving the scene of the accident.  Like I said you can say he just reacted to someone running in front of him but how he responded afterwards makes it look like he was just trying to take his frustration out on someone.

Well that's where you're wrong.  Adams and every other player have the right of way.  No one should be in the tunnel area while players are leaving the field.  The cameraman broke the rules, saw the players leaving the field, tried running through them anyway, peeked up at Davante right before he crossed his path, and I'm guessing planned the whole thing to get some cash.

Now I'm not saying Adams should've shoved him and I'm not saying he shouldn't have helped the guy up.  But, I am saying the cameraman caused this intentionally or not.

[drfrey13]

1 minute ago, Styrian Raider said:

You're still trying to blow up the whole situation.

I agree that he shouldn't do it in first place. And also maybe he should've helped the man up.
But seriously, where is the "scandal"? It's not like he'd punched the reporter in the face.

My opinion is not blowing up the situation.  The guy already went to the hospital and contacted the police and there is talk about Adams getting suspended.

[Styrian Raider]

1 minute ago, drfrey13 said:

My opinion is not blowing up the situation.  The guy already went to the hospital and contacted the police and there is talk about Adams getting suspended.

Yeah - That's the american dream, right? Sue someone for a pretty penny.

[drfrey13]

3 minutes ago, true2form said:

Well that's where you're wrong.  Adams and every other player have the right of way.  No one should be in the tunnel area while players are leaving the field.  The cameraman broke the rules, saw the players leaving the field, tried running through them anyway, peeked up at Davante right before he crossed his path, and I'm guessing planned the whole thing to get some cash.

Now I'm not saying Adams should've shoved him and I'm not saying he shouldn't have helped the guy up.  But, I am saying the cameraman caused this intentionally or not.

That is a lot of speculation about peoples intentions.  The guy should not have crossed in front of players but that does not mean players can shove him.  If Adams ran into him and kept running I get your point but not with how it went down.  Adams shoves him, stands there, and then walks away.  That is still another human being and Adams looked really bad in that situation.  Not trying to be a Raider fan when looking at this situation and only Raider fans are taking his side probably.  What we should be angry about is the lack of holding penalties called during the game.

[ronjon1990]

5 minutes ago, Styrian Raider said:

You're still trying to blow up the whole situation.

I agree that he shouldn't do it in first place. And also maybe he should've helped the man up.
But seriously, where is the "scandal"? It's not like he'd punched the reporter in the face.

Here's the problem:

What if dude immediately jumped up while Adams stood there staring and went full Don Frye and beat the ever loving hell out of him in self defense in fear of an imminent battery? 

People would be throwing an absolute fit about a player being attacked. 

A push, a shove, a slap, a punch- those are legally six to one half dozen the other forms of battery. The camera guy was, technically, within his right to defend himself at that point. 

What makes it a scandal is that it happened and could have escalated exponentially, and Adams' actions were and are the legal catalyst of any of the fallout that may have occurred. 

[ronjon1990]

4 minutes ago, Styrian Raider said:

Yeah - That's the american dream, right? Sue someone for a pretty penny.

Nah, there's a huge difference between suing someone for intentional battery and being damn near frivolous. 

Considering that people have legitimately died as a result of being pushed or punched, it's a worthwhile incentive, if only to make people hesitate before acting. 

Everyone seems fine with the multi billion industry hitting Adams with a fine that will line their own pockets. The camera guy is merely doing the same via the avenue available to him. 

[BackinBlack]

12 minutes ago, drfrey13 said:

My opinion is not blowing up the situation.  The guy already went to the hospital and contacted the police and there is talk about Adams getting suspended.

So the guy bobby wagner tackled is in the right too? 
For storming the field? 

He went to the hospital and contacted the police as well. 

^those 2 points alone shouldnt mean much in america. As people do it to make money. 

[drfrey13]

3 minutes ago, Styrian Raider said:

Yeah - That's the american dream, right? Sue someone for a pretty penny.

For some people this is true.  From what I know about this situation it seems that way but I have not looked into it much.  If this is porn then I made a lot of it when I was little.  I do think it is strange to put a naked baby with its genitals showing on an album cover.  Another case of something being fine during the time period and people seeing it as wrong as perspectives change.