Forge Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Quote Mired in a six-game losing streak, the Denver Broncos have fired offensive coordinator Mike McCoy, sources tell ESPN. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21488040/denver-broncos-fire-offensive-coordinator-mike-mccoy Is this just a desperation play? McCoy has always had a pretty good rep as an OC, and this is a very short time to give him to do anything when Osweiler, Lynch and Siemien are his quarterbacks. This just reeks to me, but maybe I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Forge said: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21488040/denver-broncos-fire-offensive-coordinator-mike-mccoy Is this just a desperation play? McCoy has always had a pretty good rep as an OC, and this is a very short time to give him to do anything when Osweiler, Lynch and Siemien are his quarterbacks. This just reeks to me, but maybe I'm wrong. Wow, that's sudden. Seems like a scapegoat firing - not like that offense has much to rely on at QB, and the OL has been average at best. Bill Musgrave is a good replacement, but is he going to do much better with this cast of characters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Scapegoat for Vance. Vance needs to be scrapped next. This team doesn't play with passion under him. They've given up. I hope Musgrave at least starts Lynch so we can see what we have in the last six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, Counselor said: Scapegoat for Elway. Vance needs to be scrapped next. This team doesn't play with passion under him. They've given up. I hope Musgrave at least starts Lynch so we can see what we have in the last six. FIFY. We have a bottom 5 OL, no 3rd WR, no TE, and horrible QB play. McCoy probably wasn't the answer...he wasn't really the problem, either. All of our personnel problems come down to the draft mistakes Elway's made on O. Worse yet, Elway ignored the well-known principles that the draft rarely fixes immediate problems and wasted picks to get "playmakers" who run like Tyreke Hill...but can't run routes or hold on the ball - all in the name of having an impact this year. Elway's been a great drafter of late round talent. But he hasn't hit on a single Day 2 pick since 2011-12 (literally 0-for-10 with 3 who the jury is out this year), and he's been increasingly drafting as a "1-player-away" mode for Round 1, and bypassing overall BPA for need in Rd 1 (Lynch over Chris Jones 2016, T Bolles over ILB Reuben Foster 2017)....with the result being an overall depletion of high-ceiling talent across the roster. His biggest reasons for failure are that he locks on to these insane athletic-skill guys who have insanely-low floors...and in the case of his Day 2 picks, they've literally all washed out since 2013. His 2011 draft was amazing, and from 2012-15 he basically got insane UFA/Day 3 values & FA gold in the bargain tier, so we didn't see it. But the thing about hitting in bargain FA - they are only with teams for 1-2 years. And then they aren't bargains. That well has run dry - which is why the draft is how teams sustain viable contenders long-term. It's why we're not even close to a good team right now. Elway's still a master at cap management, finding FA value, and draft-wise, his Day 3 / UFA record is really stellar. But his Day 1-2 record and "one-guy" away approach, and locking on to "his guys" and picking them 2+ rounds too early, and throwing away Day 2 (and of late, Day 1) is the real problem. But hey, let's fire the OC, that will solve the problem. Now, Elway's still a great GM, used to be top 3, still a top 10 guy - but his downfall is his hubris at not seeing how his draft style led us here. Then again, he realized his mistake with keeping John Fox as HC (good enough to build, not enough to win big games) and in focusing on O-only after SB48 - and he killed our rebuild when he started from scratch in 2011. That start-from-scratch approach is what he needs to go back to now - hopefully he sees that. /end rant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 15 minutes ago, Broncofan said: FIFY. We have a bottom 5 OL, no 3rd WR, no TE, and horrible QB play. McCoy probably wasn't the answer...he wasn't really the problem, either. All of our personnel problems come down to the draft mistakes Elway's made on O. Worse yet, Elway ignored the well-known principles that the draft rarely fixes immediate problems and wasted picks to get "playmakers" who run like Tyreke Hill...but can't run routes or hold on the ball - all in the name of having an impact this year. Elway's been a great drafter of late round talent. But he hasn't hit on a single Day 2 pick since 2011-12 (literally 0-for-10 with 3 who the jury is out this year), and he's been increasingly drafting as a "1-player-away" mode for Round 1, and bypassing overall BPA for need in Rd 1 (Lynch over Chris Jones 2016, T Bolles over ILB Reuben Foster 2017)....with the result being an overall depletion of high-ceiling talent across the roster. His biggest reasons for failure are that he locks on to these insane athletic-skill guys who have insanely-low floors...and in the case of his Day 2 picks, they've literally all washed out since 2013. His 2011 draft was amazing, and from 2012-15 he basically got insane UFA/Day 3 values & FA gold in the bargain tier, so we didn't see it. But the thing about hitting in bargain FA - they are only with teams for 1-2 years. And then they aren't bargains. That well has run dry - which is why the draft is how teams sustain viable contenders long-term. It's why we're not even close to a good team right now. Elway's still a master at cap management, finding FA value, and draft-wise, his Day 3 / UFA record is really stellar. But his Day 1-2 record and "one-guy" away approach, and locking on to "his guys" and picking them 2+ rounds too early, and throwing away Day 2 (and of late, Day 1) is the real problem. But hey, let's fire the OC, that will solve the problem. Now, Elway's still a great GM, used to be top 3, still a top 10 guy - but his downfall is his hubris at not seeing how his draft style led us here. Then again, he realized his mistake with keeping John Fox as HC (good enough to build, not enough to win big games) and in focusing on O-only after SB48 - and he killed our rebuild when he started from scratch in 2011. That start-from-scratch approach is what he needs to go back to now - hopefully he sees that. /end rant What I meant was instead of Vance he was the scapegoat for the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phire Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Yup, totally the OC's fault the quarterbacks are Siemian and Osweiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLick12 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Phire said: Yup, totally the OC's fault the quarterbacks are Siemian and Osweiler. Whoever advocated playing Brock should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKillerNacho Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Seems Musgrave is the new OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, Counselor said: What I meant was instead of Vance he was the scapegoat for the organization. Ah gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 hour ago, BLick12 said: Whoever advocated playing Brock should be fired. To be fair, that was purely on health - Lynch wasn't physically cleared for contact yet. Now, worse news for us - he's likely going to be even worse than Siemian/Oz. Yes...that bad. Peterman-level badness might be coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Just now, Broncofan said: To be fair, that was purely on health - Lynch wasn't physically cleared for contact yet. Now, worse news for us - he's likely going to be even worse than Siemian/Oz. Yes...that bad. Peterman-level badness might be coming. He won't be that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, Counselor said: He won't be that bad Fair enough......that's a really low bar though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Brock Osweiler...not good enough to make the worst team in the NFL's roster, but somehow he's the starting QB in Denver. YIKES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 1 minute ago, Broncofan said: Fair enough......that's a really low bar though. He will be better than we expect when he gets a chance to play because our expectations are so low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 7 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Brock Osweiler...not good enough to make the worst team in the NFL's roster, but somehow he's the starting QB in Denver. YIKES. Brock is better than Kizer though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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