JDBrocks Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 24 minutes ago, swede700 said: No, he's an actual Viking. He’s the logo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted November 14, 2023 Author Share Posted November 14, 2023 Just now, JDBrocks said: He’s the logo Right...when they want to update Viktor, they can just replace his head with a new version that looks like Hock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 T.J. Hockenson also had a historic stat line as the Vikings ran out their first half lead. His 10 catches, 128 yards and touchdown made him the first tight end in NFL history to have 10+ receptions, 125+ yards and a touchdown all in a single half. https://kstp.com/minnesota-sports/cam-bynum-wife-lalaine-arrives-for-vikings-saints-game-and-players-discuss-win-over-new-orleans/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KSTP-TV&fbclid=IwAR12QFHkFII2CP5_SmNU1gLNbMBN3MFF2ly13M_JUgCnaD3SRWo8SmKkWjY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 Through just 10 games this season, Hockenson already has 71 receptions, which puts him on track to blow by the 86 he hauled in as a career-high last year. At 681 yards, he should have a chance to surpass the 1,000-yard mark for the first time in his career, and with four touchdowns to his credit, topping his career best of six seems to make sense as well. As Dobbs continues to acclimate to the offense and weapons around him, you can bet that Hockenson will remain among his most trusted security blankets. The tight end position often allows for a reliable checkdown option, and having a talent like Hockenson at that position elevates the opportunity a significant amount. Dobbs should continue to rely on the superstar tight end, and Minnesota stands to benefit from him doing so. Paying a second-round pick to a division rival isn’t an ideal outcome, but getting a player as good as Hockenson from the Detroit Lions was beyond worth it. Minnesota was not going to find this type of talent with that pick, and being able to plug him in immediately was nothing short of exceptional. For years, the Vikings hoped that Irv Smith Jr. would become something of substance. There was a desire to find the peak version of Kyle Rudolph or the great tight ends of yesteryear. In Hockenson, it’s arguable that Minnesota has the best to ever play the position in franchise history, and watching him on a weekly basis is beyond a treat. https://vikingsterritory.com/2023/news/analysis/hockenson-has-proven?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, vike daddy said: Through just 10 games this season, Hockenson already has 71 receptions, which puts him on track to blow by the 86 he hauled in as a career-high last year. At 681 yards, he should have a chance to surpass the 1,000-yard mark for the first time in his career, and with four touchdowns to his credit, topping his career best of six seems to make sense as well. As Dobbs continues to acclimate to the offense and weapons around him, you can bet that Hockenson will remain among his most trusted security blankets. The tight end position often allows for a reliable checkdown option, and having a talent like Hockenson at that position elevates the opportunity a significant amount. Dobbs should continue to rely on the superstar tight end, and Minnesota stands to benefit from him doing so. Paying a second-round pick to a division rival isn’t an ideal outcome, but getting a player as good as Hockenson from the Detroit Lions was beyond worth it. Minnesota was not going to find this type of talent with that pick, and being able to plug him in immediately was nothing short of exceptional. For years, the Vikings hoped that Irv Smith Jr. would become something of substance. There was a desire to find the peak version of Kyle Rudolph or the great tight ends of yesteryear. In Hockenson, it’s arguable that Minnesota has the best to ever play the position in franchise history, and watching him on a weekly basis is beyond a treat. https://vikingsterritory.com/2023/news/analysis/hockenson-has-proven?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook Hockenson may BECOME the best Viking TE ever...but right now the title belongs to Steve Jordan. Edited November 14, 2023 by Captain Relax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Captain Relax said: Hockenson may BECOME the best Viking TE ever...but right now the title belongs to Steve Jordan. I'm a little partial to Kleinsasser... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 56 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: I'm a little partial to Kleinsasser... Kleinsasser was great, but he wasn't strictly a TE...more of an H-back...whatever happened to the H-back position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 1 hour ago, wcblack34 said: I'm a little partial to Kleinsasser... Jordan > Kleinsasser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 TJ Hockenson, among all NFL TE's: 1st - Passing Yardage (681) 1st - Receptions (71) 1st - First Downs (38) 1st - 20+ yard plays (10) 3rd, tied - Touchdowns (4) VikingsNation.com thank you, Kwesi. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 13 hours ago, vike daddy said: Jordan > Kleinsasser And Kleinsasser really played H-back, which really is more fullback than Tight End. Hell, Hockenson is probably going to have more catches in 2 yrs as a Viking than Kleinsasser had in 13. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 15 hours ago, Captain Relax said: Kleinsasser was great, but he wasn't strictly a TE...more of an H-back...whatever happened to the H-back position? Cooley was the last great one I can remember. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cearbhall Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 2 hours ago, swede700 said: And Kleinsasser really played H-back, which really is more fullback than Tight End. Hell, Hockenson is probably going to have more catches in 2 yrs as a Viking than Kleinsasser had in 13. I don't think anyone would suggest Kleinsasser's main value was related to his pass catching ability and certainly not his run after the catch abilities. He was a devastating blocker. It is hard to compare him to a guy based on their pass catching ability. Kleinsasser was, IMO, clearly the best blocking TE the Vikings have ever had. That Tice pressed him into service in the backfield and he was able to do that so well to me is further testament to his abilities. I have no problem with the someone thinking Kleinsasser was the best TE in the team's history. I do assume they value blocking TEs a lot more than receiving TEs, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think in today's game receiving TEs are more important than they used to be, but I wouldn't judge Kleinsasser based on what he would mean to teams today. One thing I know for sure, Jimmy Kleinsasser was a great one. I would love it if Oliver ended up being anything close to what Kleinsasser was. Hockenson is a different animal, and I love what he is becoming too. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: ...lots of good stuff.... very astute points you're making. comparing two eras and their differences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted November 15, 2023 Author Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Cearbhall said: One thing I know for sure, Jimmy Kleinsasser was a great one. Yeah, I don't think anyone questions that...but Jordan is still probably the best one in Vikings' history at doing both (he actually led the team in receptions in both '85 and '86). I have no issue with Kleinsasser being considered the best blocking TE. Edited November 15, 2023 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Kleinsasser was drafted as a tight end in the second round of the 1999 NFL Draft. He demonstrated remarkable durability throughout his career, playing in all 16 games up to 2010, except for missing 15 games because of an knee injury in 2004. In 2007 and 2008, Kleinsasser was named to USA Today's All Joe Team honoring hard workers and under-recognized players. He continued his 13-year career with the Vikings in the 2011 season. He ranked second in team history for starts made by a tight end with 119, and ranked fourth in catches by a TE in Vikings history. His blocking skills also paved the way for seven of the top eight single-season rushing marks in Vikings history, including Adrian Peterson's then team record and NFL leading 1,760 yards in 2008. Kleinsasser retired at the end of the 2011 NFL season after 13 seasons with the Vikings. wiki 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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