vike daddy Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 4 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: If he's healthy, I could see Hockenson being a top 3 TE this season. you're quite the visionary there, lol. considering he was 4th last year in yards per game. TE Yards per game, 2022: 78.7 - Travis Kelce 58.5 - Dallas Goedert 56.5 - Mark Andrews51.9 - TJ Hockenson (10 games with Vikings; 53.8 ypg with Vikings and Lions) 51.0 - George Kittle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y*so*blu Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Hock really burned us in both Giants/Vikings games. With many teams doubling Jefferson (or trying to), he picked up right where he left off in Detroit: as a blunt weapon. With their current offense, a better DC, and the Rodgers era finally ending, the Vikings have a perfect window to establish themselves as the new boss of the NFC North. 🍻 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 Sрotrас рrojeсted the mаrket vаlue of the former Lіonѕ fіrѕt-round рісk to be аbout $57.7 mіllіon on а four-yeаr сontrасt (аverаge аnnuаl ѕаlаry of roughly $14.4 mіllіon). Suсh а deаl would mаke Hoсkenѕon the ѕeсond-hіgheѕt раіd tіght end іn NFL hіѕtory behіnd only Sаn Frаnсіѕсo 49erѕ tіght end George Kіttle. Wіth ѕuсh а сontrасt, Hoсkenѕon would go on а deаl wіth а lіttle more vаlue thаn the сurrent сontrасt for 4-tіme fіrѕt-teаm All-Pro Kаnѕаѕ Cіty Chіefѕ tіght end Trаvіѕ Kelсe. On рарer, іt doeѕn’t ѕeem lіke Hoсkenѕon ѕhould be раіd аѕ muсh аѕ Kelсe. But lіke Kelсe, two other tіght endѕ — Dаllаѕ Goedert аnd Mаrk Andrewѕ — аre сurrently on сontrасtѕ worth between $56-$58 mіllіon іn totаl vаlue. Hoсkenѕon hаd more reсeрtіonѕ, yаrdѕ аnd touсhdownѕ thаn both Goedert or Andrewѕ іn 2022. Wіth 86 reсeрtіonѕ, 914 yаrdѕ аnd 6 touсhdownѕ lаѕt yeаr, Hoсkenѕon hаd hіѕ beѕt ѕeаѕon іn the NFL durіng 2022. https://apkcombat.com/ex-lions-star-t-j-hockenson-projected-to-sign-monster-contract-with-vikings-thao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, y*so*blu said: With their current offense, a better DC, and the Rodgers era finally ending, the Vikings have a perfect window to establish themselves as the new boss of the NFC North. 🍻 thanks, your check's in the mail. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplexing Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 So, in summary, to end this prolonged salary guesstimate discussion, the Vikings will have to go into hock to afford to keep Hockenson. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplexing Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 6 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: If he's healthy, I could see Hockenson being a top 3 TE this season. That could happen. So could every other possible scenario. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, vike daddy said: you're quite the visionary there, lol. considering he was 4th last year in yards per game. TE Yards per game, 2022: 78.7 - Travis Kelce 58.5 - Dallas Goedert 56.5 - Mark Andrews51.9 - TJ Hockenson (10 games with Vikings; 53.8 ypg with Vikings and Lions) 51.0 - George Kittle 4th in yards per game and a top 3 TE are not the same thing. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Hock is a top 3 TE based on his career so far. PFF had him at 6 though, so he's close. https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2022-tight-end-rankings NFL.com had him at 8: https://www-nfl-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nfl.com/_amp/2022-nfl-season-s-top-10-tight-ends-travis-kelce-mark-andrews-and-david-njoku-he?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16870861947820&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews%2F2022-nfl-season-s-top-10-tight-ends-travis-kelce-mark-andrews-and-david-njoku-he Edited June 18, 2023 by SteelKing728 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 11 hours ago, Purplexing said: That could happen. So could every other possible scenario. Any potential scenario could happen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 3 hours ago, SteelKing728 said: 4th in yards per game and a top 3 TE are not the same thing. I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks Hock is a top 3 TE based on his career so far. PFF had him at 6 though, so he's close. NFL.com had him at 8. eh. football games are won by scoring points, and you can't score points without getting yards. unless the other team is making mistakes/turnovers and the defense is capitalizing on them. Hock's yards per game is a very significant factor. Kelce is the undisputed #1 TE as he plays on a high octane offense and is a key cog. the next four TE's, Hock included, are all very closely grouped together. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 I think he’s top 4. Kelce/Kittle are 1A/1B Andrews/Hock are the next tier, followed by Goedert/Waller/Friermuth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted June 20, 2023 Author Share Posted June 20, 2023 On 6/17/2023 at 5:28 PM, vike daddy said: On рарer, іt doeѕn’t ѕeem lіke Hoсkenѕon ѕhould be раіd аѕ muсh аѕ Kelсe. No, he shouldn't, but Hockenson is also 8 yrs younger than Kelce. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 2 hours ago, swede700 said: No, he shouldn't, but Hockenson is also 8 yrs younger than Kelce. Also, salaries go up. Kirk looks reasonable now, but it looked like too much to some when he signed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted July 5, 2023 Share Posted July 5, 2023 The Tight End Room: The Vikings passing game was struggling prior to trading for TJ Hockenson. Adam Thielen was on the downward trend and Irv Smith Jr. didn’t pan out like they had hoped he would. Once Hockenson arrived, Kirk Cousins developed an immediate chemistry with him, connecting for 60 receptions, 519 yards and three touchdowns across 10 games. He was able to jump in and succeed immediately. Going into his fifth season, Josh Oliver was selected as a pass-catching tight end out of San Jose State. After struggling with the Jaguars over his first two seasons, Oliver was traded to the Baltimore Ravens where he was turned into a great blocking tight end. In 2022, Oliver only caught 26 passes for 230 yards and two touchdowns. Johnny Mundt got a lot of run early on in the 2022 season but struggled. He saw his snap share shrink significantly with the acquisition of Hockenson. For a player who was always a second or third tight end, he was fine, but there wasn’t a lot of upside. He finished the season with 29 receptions for 233 yards and a touchdown. Nick Muse was the Vikings’ seventh-round pick last year and failed to make the roster out of training camp. He was signed to the practice squad and played in three games in 2022. He didn’t play a single offensive snap, but was viewed as an athletic project with his versatile skillset. https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/lists/vikings-roster-tight-end-tj-hockenson-josh-oliver-nick-muse-johnny-mundt/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21IfKLmwLXhRa9gT1bAmDY4nRvqSUH1Kvy2mVSlkWqk4Go5YeIwWTSNrk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted July 13, 2023 Author Share Posted July 13, 2023 Hockenson was ranked #6, which is pretty fair...also fair was a NFC execs assessment of him as a guy who does everything well, but nothing exceptional...and I'm absolutely fine with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFeist Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 I’d certainly have him ahead of Waller. But Hock, Andrews and Goedert are basically all the same guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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