40Year Pack Fan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Might not have a choice.....Atlanta should beat Tampa Bay tonight, eliminating us from playoff contention....At this junction, why risk Rodgers and Devante Adams?.....Adams may have short shelf life after the bad hits he's taken this season.....Too bad, he's our best receiver.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 34 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Clearly we should lose out t this point. There is no way McCarthy will purposely lose games. You don't want that kind of thinking at 1265. I doubt what happens in the next 2 weeks is going to dramatically change our draft position if we win or lose but I might be wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pugger said: There is no way McCarthy will purposely lose games. You don't want that kind of thinking at 1265. I doubt what happens in the next 2 weeks is going to dramatically change our draft position if we win or lose but I might be wrong... I don't think McCarthy will intentionally lose out either, but not doing so is a stupid move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 minute ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I don't think McCarthy will intentionally lose out either, but not doing so is a stupid move. Would losing the next 2 games improve our draft position all that much? Otherwise, why tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40Year Pack Fan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 9 minutes ago, Pugger said: There is no way McCarthy will purposely lose games. You don't want that kind of thinking at 1265. I doubt what happens in the next 2 weeks is going to dramatically change our draft position if we win or lose but I might be wrong... Pugger, got what you asked for....Marvin Lewis won't be back in Cinci next year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 The players and coaches shouldn’t “lose out”... having said that management should weight things appropriately. With Green Bay out of the playoffs... shut Aaron down, the reward is no longer there to risk him for. Adams is like out next game anyways... so just shut him down. House has a bad shoulder, shut him down. Perry is injuried like always, shut him down. Basically all the guys we have heavy investments in... if injured... just shut down. with that McCarthy and the team still play to win but won’t be able to compete talent wise and just lose naturally as an outcome. In doing so few things happen... management protects players (win brownie points), protect their investment, gives the coaches a built in excuse for losing, also allows Green Bay to claim they aren’t throwing the season but get the benefits of being a 7-9 team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 Play Joe Callahan. I need to be entertained Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 42 minutes ago, Pugger said: Would losing the next 2 games improve our draft position all that much? Otherwise, why tank? the difference is pretty significant. average draft position of a 7-9 team is #12.6 while avg draft position of a non-playoff 9-7 team is #18.1. If you translate those draft positions into the value chart, the 7-9 team has about 370 more "points" of draft capital, which equates to an extra mid-2nd round pick . if you look at the extremes over the last 3 yrs, 7-9 team s can be as high as #10, while non-playoff 9-7 teams can be as low as #20. the difference in those positions equates to an extra 1st-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 49 minutes ago, 40Year Pack Fan said: Pugger, got what you asked for....Marvin Lewis won't be back in Cinci next year..... When have I ever asked for Marvin Lewis to be our next DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 50 minutes ago, NormSizedMidget said: Play Joe Callahan. I need to be entertained but we cut him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemike778 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Green19 said: The players and coaches shouldn’t “lose out”... having said that management should weight things appropriately. With Green Bay out of the playoffs... shut Aaron down, the reward is no longer there to risk him for. Adams is like out next game anyways... so just shut him down. House has a bad shoulder, shut him down. Perry is injuried like always, shut him down. Basically all the guys we have heavy investments in... if injured... just shut down. with that McCarthy and the team still play to win but won’t be able to compete talent wise and just lose naturally as an outcome. In doing so few things happen... management protects players (win brownie points), protect their investment, gives the coaches a built in excuse for losing, also allows Green Bay to claim they aren’t throwing the season but get the benefits of being a 7-9 team. Yep - we shouldn't tank. But there's no point playing injured players. Perry, Rodgers, Adams and anyone else carrying significant injuries should be shut down. Play the games 100% to win whilst acknowledging we probably wont. Also gives a better a chance to evaluate players for next season if we are 'playing properly'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrid Josher Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 We should lose out but not sure MM is programmed for that. This is the coach who got Lacy hurt running him on what should have been a kneel-down play before the half, and has continued doing this a handful of times over the years. Ideally we'd just IR anyone who is important and has a papercut and then operate business as usual in the practice weeks to get depth guys valuable experience. There is a legitimate worry of looking too much like you are tanking and souring the culture by building resentment, but I feel like a good staff and FO should be able to do it in such a way where that doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 put rodgers on the shelf, and sit any injured players. get callahan some game experience if we win, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 8 hours ago, mikemike778 said: Yep - we shouldn't tank. But there's no point playing injured players. Perry, Rodgers, Adams and anyone else carrying significant injuries should be shut down. Play the games 100% to win whilst acknowledging we probably wont. Also gives a better a chance to evaluate players for next season if we are 'playing properly'. exactly obviously when people say "tank" i dont think they mean tell the players to intentionally play bad. but yeah, sit our starters that have any semblance of injury, and get our other guys some game experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillparsi1 Posted December 19, 2017 Share Posted December 19, 2017 Well, we're officially out Co-sign on what others have said. You don't intentionally play to lose. We're the same franchise that was once coached by Vince Lombardi who quipped, "Winning is a habit, unfortunately so is losing." And you sure as hell don't intentionally lose to the 2 teams that in all likelihood will be your biggest challengers next year too. But you do protect some players from unnecessary risk (Rodgers). You use this time to experiment and get the young kids some valuable reps. Heck one of the advantages of playing the kids is that they aren't suffering from, "lack of motivation," they'll play their hearts out to make sure they have a spot next year. If we win - GREAT, we've got a foundation for next year to build on. If we don't we draft higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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