General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Louis Friend said: Lions also coached Senior Bowl in 2021 and that’s where they got excited about Derrick Barnes. I'm still confused at what they saw.. Maybe Senior Bowl is not the way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: So this all comes down to what you value more - athletic traits or production (as perceived by PFF). I think it’s a combo of both. I weigh more towards production, but athletic traits can be used to assess potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, General Tso said: I'm still confused at what they saw.. Maybe Senior Bowl is not the way. No idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 52 minutes ago, General Tso said: From what I can find, Kerby Joseph would score a 9.69 on RAS @Karnage84 What's your source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Karnage84 said: What's your source? https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kerby-Joseph-WR-Illinois not sure how reliable this is, but you can enter those numbers into the RAS calculator and that's enough data to spit out a RAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, General Tso said: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Kerby-Joseph-WR-Illinois not sure how reliable this is, but you can enter those numbers into the RAS calculator and that's enough data to spit out a RAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: Same website, James Mitchell has an RAS of 3.36.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 17 minutes ago, General Tso said: Same website, James Mitchell has an RAS of 3.36.. I got a 6.03 RAS They show the ESPN testing numbers coming out of high school. He ran a 4.77 via ESPN and they listed a 4.68 40 there. So I just discounted or bonused the other results by this amount. It's imperfect but we shouldn't be giving a guy entering the draft the same results as a guy coming out of HS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: I got a 6.03 RAS They show the ESPN testing numbers coming out of high school. He ran a 4.77 via ESPN and they listed a 4.68 40 there. So I just discounted or bonused the other results by this amount. It's imperfect but we shouldn't be giving a guy entering the draft the same results as a guy coming out of HS. Ah that makes sense. Unfortunately we'll never know Jamo's info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, General Tso said: Ah that makes sense. Unfortunately we'll never know Jamo's info. They're giving him a 4.25... probably not inaccurate, at least not by too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, General Tso said: Ah that makes sense. Unfortunately we'll never know Jamo's info. RAS has Tyquan Thornton as a comp. I think that's pretty fair. So I gave Jamo his score of 8.54. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 15 minutes ago, General Tso said: Ah that makes sense. Unfortunately we'll never know Jamo's info. 2022 PFF RAS SCORE Round 1, Pick 2: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan. 93.90 9.88 927.73 Round 1, pick 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama. 79.90 8.54 682.35 Round 2, pick 46: Josh Paschal, EDGE, Kentucky. 90.00 9.70 873.00 Round 3, pick 97: Kerby Joseph, S, Illinois. 90.40 9.43 852.47 James Mitchell 61.40 6.03 370.24 Malcolm Rodriguez 85.50 9.48 810.54 Round 6, pick 217: James Houston, EDGE, Jackson 95.00 7.93 753.35 Chase Lucas 60.50 8.89 537.85 AVG 82.08 8.74 725.94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Karnage84 said: 2022 PFF RAS SCORE Round 1, Pick 2: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan. 93.90 9.88 927.73 Round 1, pick 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama. 79.90 8.54 682.35 Round 2, pick 46: Josh Paschal, EDGE, Kentucky. 90.00 9.70 873.00 Round 3, pick 97: Kerby Joseph, S, Illinois. 90.40 9.43 852.47 James Mitchell 61.40 6.03 370.24 Malcolm Rodriguez 85.50 9.48 810.54 Round 6, pick 217: James Houston, EDGE, Jackson 95.00 7.93 753.35 Chase Lucas 60.50 8.89 537.85 AVG 82.08 8.74 725.94 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 Just now, Karnage84 said: 2022 PFF RAS SCORE Round 1, Pick 2: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan. 93.90 9.88 927.73 Round 1, pick 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama. 79.90 8.54 682.35 Round 2, pick 46: Josh Paschal, EDGE, Kentucky. 90.00 9.70 873.00 Round 3, pick 97: Kerby Joseph, S, Illinois. 90.40 9.43 852.47 James Mitchell 61.40 6.03 370.24 Malcolm Rodriguez 85.50 9.48 810.54 Round 6, pick 217: James Houston, EDGE, Jackson 95.00 7.93 753.35 Chase Lucas 60.50 8.89 537.85 AVG 82.08 8.74 725.94 This seems to line up with what we saw - Hutch is a dominant player pretty much from day 1 and made his strides as arguably the best defensive rookie in the league. Kerby and Paschal both came into their own after either battling injuries or being inserted into a starting role due to injury. Rodrigo came from out of nowhere as a 6th rounder and solidified himself a starting role. Houston was a high end rotational player on the back half of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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