General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: I consider PFF a summarization/standardization of "production". It's through one lense but it's based on an overall series of standardized metrics. RAS is its own thing. He factors in size but I don't know if he REALLY factors in size. A 5'7, 160 lb WR running 4.39 is athletic and impressive. Calvin Johnson running 4.39 is superhuman. I believe the RAS is based off of the top score for a particular position (giving it a score of 10) and then downgrading against that score. https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/5/16/11678686/relative-athletic-scores-what-they-are-and-why-they-work Size would be twice as proportional to 40 time in that example. Maybe it should be weighed differently, but yeah. My only thing with this is, in terms of weight, being heavier isn't always better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, General Tso said: https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/5/16/11678686/relative-athletic-scores-what-they-are-and-why-they-work Size would be twice as proportional to 40 time in that example. Maybe it should be weighed differently, but yeah. My only thing with this is, in terms of weight, being heavier isn't always better. It's better if you can move in the same way. If a 330 lb DT can run as fast as a 290 lb DT, I want the bigger dude. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 PLAYER POS DRFT YR SCHOOL RAS PFF SCORE Moro Ojomo DT 2023 Texas 9.1 90.6 824.46 Dante Stills DT 2023 West Virginia 8.56 85.7 733.59 Adetomiwa Adebawore DT 2023 Northwestern 9.69 75.2 728.69 Keion White DT 2023 Georgia Tech 9.91 72.6 719.47 Bryan Bresee DT 2023 Clemson 9.58 73.5 704.13 Tyler Lacy DT 2023 Oklahoma State 8.46 81.1 686.11 Colby Wooden DT 2023 Auburn 9.19 72.1 662.60 Jason Lewan DT 2023 Illinois State 9.26 71.2 659.31 Keeanu Benton DT 2023 Wisconsin 8.85 73.6 651.36 Jacob Sykes DT 2023 UCLA 9.04 70.5 637.32 Gervon Dexter DT 2023 Florida 9.69 65.7 636.63 Jamal Woods DT 2023 Illinois 8.77 72.2 633.19 Zacch Pickens DT 2023 South Carolina 9.18 67.3 617.81 Byron Young DT 2023 Tennessee 9.15 63.8 583.77 Keenan Agnew DT 2023 Southern Illinois 7.6 72.5 551.00 Caleb Thomas DT 2023 Louisiana Monroe 7.44 71.2 529.73 Nesta Jade Silvera DT 2023 Arizona State 7.28 69.3 504.50 Byron Young DT 2023 Alabama 5.14 78.3 402.46 Keondre Coburn DT 2023 Texas 5.15 77.1 397.07 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionArkie Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: It's better if you can move in the same way. If a 330 lb DT can run as fast as a 290 lb DT, I want the bigger dude. Size matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: It's better if you can move in the same way. If a 330 lb DT can run as fast as a 290 lb DT, I want the bigger dude. Yea I'm with you, I should've said, in terms of the RAS, it seems like they only do weight as a percentile with no context. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 PLAYER POS DRFT YR SCHOOL RAS PFF SCORE Ricky Stromberg OC 2023 Arkansas 9.53 82.4 785.27 Luke Wypler OC 2023 Ohio State 9.28 82.4 764.67 John Michael Schmitz OC 2023 Minnesota 7.79 92.3 719.02 Olusegun Oluwatimi OC 2023 Michigan 7.72 80.4 620.69 Matt Weimann OC 2023 Saint Thomas 7.14 86.6 618.32 Alex Pihlstrom OC 2023 Illinois 9.22 66.2 610.36 Juice Scruggs OC 2023 Penn State 7.87 71.5 562.71 Jarrett Patterson OC 2023 Notre Dame 7.2 70.5 507.60 Jake Andrews OC 2023 Troy 6.91 71.3 492.68 Drew Bones OC 2023 Illinois State 4.7 74.9 352.03 Eric Douglas OC 2023 South Carolina 5.66 55.5 314.13 Warren ericson OC 2023 Georgia 3.07 61 187.27 Malik Sumter OC 2023 Georgia State 2.64 57.4 151.54 Tyson Pauling OC 2023 Portland State 1.79 68.3 122.26 Bryce Peterson OC 2023 Nevada 0.54 58.3 31.48 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 RAS X PFF QB RB TE WR OT OG OC DT DE LB CB S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 The 800+ Club PLAYER ADP POS DRFT YR SCHOOL RAS PFF SCORE Bijan Robinson 26.4 RB 2023 Texas 9.83 95.30 936.80 Jack Campbell 44.9 LB 2023 Iowa 9.98 91.9 917.16 Blake Freeland 85.8 OT 2023 Brigham Young 9.88 91 899.08 Clayton Tune 223.6 QB 2023 Houston 9.73 92 895.16 Cody Mauch 69.8 OT 2023 North Dakota State 9.31 91.8 854.66 Darnell Washington 50.5 TE 2023 Georgia 9.87 85.7 845.86 Peter Skoronski 11.7 OT 2023 Northwestern 9.28 89.5 830.56 Andrei Iosivas 134.2 WR 2023 Princeton 9.92 83.6 829.31 Christian Gonzalez 10.6 CB 2023 Oregon 9.94 83.3 828.00 Rashee Rice 70.5 WR 2023 Southern Methodist 9.6 85.9 824.64 Moro Ojomo 132.5 DT 2023 Texas 9.1 90.6 824.46 Nick Hampton 228.1 ED 2023 Appalachian State 9.72 84.3 819.40 Yasir Abdullah 157.5 ED 2023 Louisville 9.72 84.2 818.42 Emmanuel Forbes 35.4 CB 2023 Mississippi State 9.25 87.2 806.60 Riley Moss 125.1 CB 2023 Iowa 9.9 81.4 805.86 Anthony Richardson 5.5 QB 2023 Florida 10.00 80.1 801.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) The 750+ Club PLAYER POS DRFT YR SCHOOL RAS PFF SCORE Chase Brown RB 2023 Illinois 9.79 81.20 794.95 Tyjae Spears RB 2023 Tulane 8.77 90.20 791.05 Zach Charbonnet RB 2023 UCLA 8.64 91.50 790.56 Ricky Stromberg OC 2023 Arkansas 9.53 82.4 785.27 Camerun Peoples RB 2023 Appalachian State 9.35 83.80 783.53 Zeke Vandenburgh ED 2023 Illinois State 8.63 90 776.70 Nolan Smith DE 2023 Georgia 9.22 83.8 772.64 Keaton Mitchell RB 2023 East Carolina 8.67 89.10 772.50 Isaiah McGuire DE 2023 Missouri 9.51 81.1 771.26 Luke Wypler OC 2023 Ohio State 9.28 82.4 764.67 Tucker Kraft TE 2023 South Dakota State 9.59 79 757.61 Sydney Brown SS 2023 Illinois 9.66 78.4 757.34 Jordan Battle SS 2023 Alabama 9.28 81.5 756.32 Sidy Sow OG 2023 Eastern Michigan 9.77 77.1 753.27 Lukas Van Ness DE 2023 Iowa 9.38 80.2 752.28 Edited March 22, 2023 by Karnage84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, General Tso said: Yea I'm with you, I should've said, in terms of the RAS, it seems like they only do weight as a percentile with no context. In my worksheet, I have a factor for height and weight. I'll average out the group in terms of height and weight. Then I'll either discount or add to the scoring. Ex. Say the average size for a DT is 305 lbs. If we're using a measuring stick like the speed score (out of 100) and two DT's ran the same 40, I would treat it like this. 330 lb = +8.2% > Bonused for running faster for a person their size 290 lb = - 4.9% > Discounted for running slower for a person their size 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 5 minutes ago, Karnage84 said: In my worksheet, I have a factor for height and weight. I'll average out the group in terms of height and weight. Then I'll either discount or add to the scoring. Ex. Say the average size for a DT is 305 lbs. If we're using a measuring stick like the speed score (out of 100) and two DT's ran the same 40, I would treat it like this. 330 lb = +8.2% > Bonused for running faster for a person their size 290 lb = - 4.9% > Discounted for running slower for a person their size 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 22 hours ago, Karnage84 said: PLAYER POS DRFT YR SCHOOL RAS PFF SCORE Christian Gonzalez CB 2023 Oregon 9.94 83.3 828.00 Emmanuel Forbes CB 2023 Mississippi State 9.25 87.2 806.60 Riley Moss CB 2023 Iowa 9.9 81.4 805.86 Darius Rush CB 2023 South Carolina 9.8 77.9 763.42 Julius Brents CB 2023 Kansas State 9.99 74.9 748.25 DJ Turner II CB 2023 Michigan 9.59 77.4 742.27 Cory Trice Jr. CB 2023 Purdue 9.63 75.4 726.10 Deonte Banks CB 2023 Maryland 10 72 720.00 Mekhi Garner CB 2023 Lousiana State 9.79 72.9 713.69 Joey Porter Jr. CB 2023 Penn State 9.7 73.2 710.04 Terell Smith CB 2023 Minnesota 8.59 80.9 694.93 Jakorian Bennett CB 2023 Maryland 9.57 71.8 687.13 Tyrique Stevenson CB 2023 Miami 8.86 76.6 678.68 Cam Smith CB 2023 South Carolina 9.7 65.1 631.47 Jaylon Jones CB 2023 Texas A&M 8.68 71.5 620.62 Cameron Mitchell CB 2023 Northwestern 8.78 69.3 608.45 Tre'Vius Hodges-Tomlinson CB 2023 TCU 7.96 76 604.96 Kyu Blu Kelly CB 2023 Stanford 9.39 62.7 588.75 Darrell Luter Jr. CB 2023 South Alabama 8.36 70.1 586.04 Kelee Ringo CB 2023 Georgia 8.19 71.4 584.77 Ok, I did some tinfoil hatting. Lions asst coach Shaun Dion Hamilton coached at the Senior Bowl. He coached Julius Brents, Darius Rush, Darrell Luter, and Tyrique Stevenson 👀 He also coached Safety Chamarri Conner who scored 613.60. Last year, the Lions coached against Kerby Joseph in the Senior Bowl. Take this info with a grain of salt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnage84 Posted March 22, 2023 Author Share Posted March 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, General Tso said: Ok, I did some tinfoil hatting. Lions asst coach Shaun Dion Hamilton coached at the Senior Bowl. He coached Julius Brents, Darius Rush, Darrell Luter, and Tyrique Stevenson 👀 He also coached Safety Chamarri Conner who scored 613.60. Last year, the Lions coached against Kerby Joseph in the Senior Bowl. Take this info with a grain of salt. So this all comes down to what you value more - athletic traits or production (as perceived by PFF). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, General Tso said: Ok, I did some tinfoil hatting. Lions asst coach Shaun Dion Hamilton coached at the Senior Bowl. He coached Julius Brents, Darius Rush, Darrell Luter, and Tyrique Stevenson 👀 He also coached Safety Chamarri Conner who scored 613.60. Last year, the Lions coached against Kerby Joseph in the Senior Bowl. Take this info with a grain of salt. Lions also coached Senior Bowl in 2021 and that’s where they got excited about Derrick Barnes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 (edited) From what I can find, Kerby Joseph would score a 9.69 on RAS @Karnage84 Edited March 22, 2023 by General Tso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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