2023 Draft Prospects (Google Sheets) - New 2024 QB Worksheet

[Karnage84]

Ok - so we're using PFF to measure production. We have the College score (PFF) and rookie year (NFL PFF) vs the RAS X PFF score. 

[Sllim Pickens]

1 hour ago, Karnage84 said:

Ok - so we're using PFF to measure production. We have the College score (PFF) and rookie year (NFL PFF) vs the RAS X PFF score. 

I like it.  I feel like the bigger results are where a player is 3/4 years down the road.  This is helpful for looking at instant impact but seeing how this score can predict longer term results is most important IMO.  Like last year Andrew Thomas would have looked like a bust but is now working out.  Same could happen for Neal/Walker.  But it is interesting to see that this score predicted Hutch being better than Walker year one, same with Stingley struggling.  There definitely looks like there is some correlation between the two with outliers (Wilson).  

[Karnage84]

1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said:

I like it.  I feel like the bigger results are where a player is 3/4 years down the road.  This is helpful for looking at instant impact but seeing how this score can predict longer term results is most important IMO.  Like last year Andrew Thomas would have looked like a bust but is now working out.  Same could happen for Neal/Walker.  But it is interesting to see that this score predicted Hutch being better than Walker year one, same with Stingley struggling.  There definitely looks like there is some correlation between the two with outliers (Wilson).  

It'd be interesting to see if all of the 900's are hits or if anyone busts. 

[General Tso]

There's only two 900s, so it'll be a small sample haha.

[Karnage84]

4 minutes ago, General Tso said:

There's only two 900s, so it'll be a small sample haha.

I mean... when we go back... 

[Sllim Pickens]

14 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

It'd be interesting to see if all of the 900's are hits or if anyone busts. 

Based on just the Lions picks you did, there did seem to be correlation with the higher scores being good.  Some of the lower scores were good as well but all of the 800+ players were good and Okudah was a low score and we all know how that is going. 

[Karnage84]

				RAS	PFF	SCORE	NFL PFF
1	JAC	Trevor Lawrence †	QB		91.80	0.00	77.40
2	NYJ	Zach Wilson	QB		94.90	0.00	46.50
3	SF	Trey Lance	QB		78.00	0.00	53.10
4	ATL	Kyle Pitts †	TE	9.65	95.70	923.51	72.70
5	CIN	Ja'Marr Chase †	WR	9.82	91.80	901.48	83.30
6	MIA	Jaylen Waddle	WR		86.60	0.00	83.90
7	DET	Penei Sewell †	OT	8.99	96.90	871.13	80.60
8	CAR	Jaycee Horn	CB	9.99	79.40	793.21	71.40
9	DEN	Patrick Surtain II †	CB	9.96	87.70	873.49	86.80
10	PHI	DeVonta Smith	WR		83.10	0.00	81.00
				RAS	PFF	SCORE	NFL PFF
1	CIN	Joe Burrow †	QB		94.10	0.00	90.80
2	WSH	Chase Young †	DE			0.00	78.40
3	DET	Jeff Okudah	CB	8.96	81.00	725.76	59.40
4	NYG	Andrew Thomas	OT	8.10	93.10	754.11	89.10
5	MIA	Tua Tagovailoa	QB		90.30	0.00	81.90
6	LAC	Justin Herbert †	QB	9.70	84.60	820.62	78.60
7	CAR	Derrick Brown	DT	5.88	89.80	528.02	84.40
8	ARI	Isaiah Simmons	ILB	9.97	80.80	805.58	67.90
9	JAC	C. J. Henderson	CB	9.97	62.60	624.12	52.90
10	CLE	Jedrick Wills	OT	8.42	93.10	783.90	62.90

[Karnage84]

So Hutchinson, Chase and Pitts are all 900+. All pretty good players. 

[Karnage84]

36 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Based on just the Lions picks you did, there did seem to be correlation with the higher scores being good.  Some of the lower scores were good as well but all of the 800+ players were good and Okudah was a low score and we all know how that is going. 

Isaiah Simmons is the one that bucks the "800 is good" trend. It's also tough because there's just a number of them without RAS scores. 

[General Tso]

Jury's still out on Travon and Stingely. But CJ Henderson had a low PFF score and a high RAS. He is just another guy in the league so far.

If anything this just goes to show the combine shouldn't elevate someone with mediocre tape. But if you're a good player, you aren't held back by a bad RAS (Derrick Brown), though this might only apply to certain positions.

[Sllim Pickens]

1 hour ago, General Tso said:

Jury's still out on Travon and Stingely. But CJ Henderson had a low PFF score and a high RAS. He is just another guy in the league so far.

If anything this just goes to show the combine shouldn't elevate someone with mediocre tape. But if you're a good player, you aren't held back by a bad RAS (Derrick Brown), though this might only apply to certain positions.

Now you want him to also track everyone by position too? So demanding. 

[General Tso]

1 minute ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Now you want him to also track everyone by position too? So demanding. 

[Karnage84]

5 hours ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Now you want him to also track everyone by position too? So demanding. 

Not happening lol

[General Tso]

I copied all the RAS x PFF into my own Google sheet and started adding missing guys that had recent pro days. Still a lot of pro days to come.

[HashtagFTW]

1 hour ago, Karnage84 said:

Not happening lol

I bet it is