2023 Draft Prospects (Google Sheets) - New 2024 QB Worksheet

[Sllim Pickens]

40 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

DRAFT PICK	PFF	RAS	SCORE
Round 1 (3): CB Jeffrey Okudah.	81.0	8.96	725.76
Round 2 (35): RB D'Andre Swift.	80.0	7.56	604.80
Round 3 (67): EDGE Julian Okwara.	79.2
Round 3 (75): G Jonah Jackson.	78.7	6.49	510.76
Round 4 (121): G Logan Stenberg.	75.6	6.15	464.94
Round 5 (166): WR Quintez Cephus.	85.1	4.51	383.80
Round 5 (172): RB Jason Huntley.	80.9	8.07	652.86
Round 6 (197): DI John Penisini.	83.4
AVG	80.5	6.96	557.15
2021	PFF	RAS	SCORE
Pick 1 — OT Penei Sewell.	96.9	8.99	871.13
Pick 2 — DT Levi Onwuzurike	81.4	8.73	710.62
Pick 3 — DT Alim McNeill	90.7	8.51	771.86
Pick 4 — CB Ifeatu Melifonwu	76.8	9.69	744.19
Pick 5 — WR Amon-Ra St. Brown	71.7	7.12	510.50
Pick 6 — LB Derrick Barnes	57.7	8.43	486.41
Pick 7 — RB Jermar Jefferson	79.3	2.23	176.84
AVG	79.21	7.67	610.22
2022	PFF	RAS	SCORE
Round 1, Pick 2: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan.	93.90	9.88	927.73
Round 1, pick 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.	79.90
Round 2, pick 46: Josh Paschal, EDGE, Kentucky.	90.00	9.70	873.00
Round 3, pick 97: Kerby Joseph, S, Illinois.	90.40
James Mitchell	61.40
Malcolm Rodriguez	85.50	9.48	810.54
Round 6, pick 217: James Houston, EDGE, Jackson	95.00	7.93	753.35
Chase Lucas	60.50	8.89	537.85
AVG	82.08	9.18	780.49

Would be interesting if WE could find athletic info on Jamo, Kirby, and Mitchell to see if we could generate a RAS score and fill in the gaps.  🤣

[General Tso]

13 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Would be interesting if WE could find athletic info on Jamo, Kirby, and Mitchell to see if we could generate a RAS score and fill in the gaps.  🤣

I regret everything.

[Karnage84]

24 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Would be interesting if WE could find athletic info on Jamo, Kirby, and Mitchell to see if we could generate a RAS score and fill in the gaps.  🤣

Looking at RAS site, it appears that height and weight are the only metrics they care about for 'size'. 40, 20y and 10y split, bench, vertical, broad, shuttle and 3 cone all play a role. 

There is something that seems to be left out of the calculations when getting the actual RAS score. 

Chase Lucas (only because it was still left open) has a 8.89 RAS score. When I average all of the athletic stuff (leaving out the size) it comes in at 8.34. When you factor in his size, the average comes out to be 7.17. Hand size and arm length don't have a RAS score attributed (publicly), so I don't know

[Karnage84]

5 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

Looking at RAS site, it appears that height and weight are the only metrics they care about for 'size'. 40, 20y and 10y split, bench, vertical, broad, shuttle and 3 cone all play a role. 

There is something that seems to be left out of the calculations when getting the actual RAS score. 

Chase Lucas (only because it was still left open) has a 8.89 RAS score. When I average all of the athletic stuff (leaving out the size) it comes in at 8.34. When you factor in his size, the average comes out to be 7.17. Hand size and arm length don't have a RAS score attributed (publicly), so I don't know

https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2016/5/16/11678686/relative-athletic-scores-what-they-are-and-why-they-work#:~:text=To break it down further,30 percent of the score.

This both explains the process and also doesn't actually answer why there's a discrepancy in Chase's scores. 

[Karnage84]

45 minutes ago, Sllim Pickens said:

Would be interesting if WE could find athletic info on Jamo, Kirby, and Mitchell to see if we could generate a RAS score and fill in the gaps.  🤣

You can input information on the RAS site and generate a RAS score. 

Ex. Jameson Williams running a 4.39 would result in a 9.95 score in this area. I'm assigning homework to @General Tso

[General Tso]

7 minutes ago, Karnage84 said:

You can input information on the RAS site and generate a RAS score. 

Ex. Jameson Williams running a 4.39 would result in a 9.95 score in this area. I'm assigning homework to @General Tso

I'm not sure if I can find this info lol, but I'll give it a try when I have some free time.

[Karnage84]

PLAYER	ADP	POS	DRFT YR	SCHOOL	RAS	PFF	SCORE
Bijan Robinson	26.4	RB	2023	Texas	9.83	95.30	936.80
Jack Campbell	44.9	LB	2023	Iowa	9.98	91.9	917.16
Blake Freeland	85.8	OT	2023	Brigham Young	9.88	91	899.08
Clayton Tune	223.6	QB	2023	Houston	9.73	92	895.16
Cody Mauch	69.8	OT	2023	North Dakota State	9.31	91.8	854.66
Peter Skoronski	11.7	OT	2023	Northwestern	9.28	89.5	830.56
Andrei Iosivas	134.2	WR	2023	Princeton	9.92	83.6	829.31
Christian Gonzalez	10.6	CB	2023	Oregon	9.94	83.3	828.00
Rashee Rice	70.5	WR	2023	Southern Methodist	9.6	85.9	824.64
Nick Hampton	228.1	ED	2023	Appalachian State	9.72	84.3	819.40
Yasir Abdullah	157.5	ED	2023	Louisville	9.72	84.2	818.42
Emmanuel Forbes	35.4	CB	2023	Mississippi State	9.25	87.2	806.60
Riley Moss	125.1	CB	2023	Iowa	9.9	81.4	805.86

[Karnage84]

Just now, Karnage84 said:

PLAYER	ADP	POS	DRFT YR	SCHOOL	RAS	PFF	SCORE
Bijan Robinson	26.4	RB	2023	Texas	9.83	95.30	936.80
Jack Campbell	44.9	LB	2023	Iowa	9.98	91.9	917.16
Blake Freeland	85.8	OT	2023	Brigham Young	9.88	91	899.08
Clayton Tune	223.6	QB	2023	Houston	9.73	92	895.16
Cody Mauch	69.8	OT	2023	North Dakota State	9.31	91.8	854.66
Peter Skoronski	11.7	OT	2023	Northwestern	9.28	89.5	830.56
Andrei Iosivas	134.2	WR	2023	Princeton	9.92	83.6	829.31
Christian Gonzalez	10.6	CB	2023	Oregon	9.94	83.3	828.00
Rashee Rice	70.5	WR	2023	Southern Methodist	9.6	85.9	824.64
Nick Hampton	228.1	ED	2023	Appalachian State	9.72	84.3	819.40
Yasir Abdullah	157.5	ED	2023	Louisville	9.72	84.2	818.42
Emmanuel Forbes	35.4	CB	2023	Mississippi State	9.25	87.2	806.60
Riley Moss	125.1	CB	2023	Iowa	9.9	81.4	805.86

Added ADP per PFF simulator. There's some value picks in here - Tune, Iosivas, Hampton, Abdullah, Moss. 

[Karnage84]

RAS X PFF

• QB
• RB
• TE
• WR
• OT
• OG
• OC
• DT
• DE
• LB
• CB
• S

I still have a couple position groups to do. Then we'll role out the 800+club. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by Karnage84

[Karnage84]

PLAYER	POS	DRFT YR	SCHOOL	RAS	PFF	SCORE
Darnell Washington	TE	2023	Georgia	9.87	85.7	845.86
Tucker Kraft	TE	2023	South Dakota State	9.59	79	757.61
Michael Mayer	TE	2023	Notre Dame	8.1	92.5	749.25
Sam LaPorta	TE	2023	Iowa	9.28	80.1	743.33
Luke Schoonmaker	TE	2023	Michigan	9.85	72.7	716.10
Luke Musgrave	TE	2023	Oregon State	9.71	72.5	703.98
Zack Kuntz	TE	2023	Old Dominion	10	69.5	695.00
Brenton Strange	TE	2023	Penn State	8.94	70	625.80
Josh Whyle	TE	2023	Cincinnati	8.88	69.9	620.71
Davis Allen	TE	2023	Clemson	7.85	71.9	564.42
Will Mallory	TE	2023	Miami	9.22	60.7	559.65
Blake Whiteheart	TE	2023	Wake Forest	8	64.5	516.00
Payne Durham	TE	2023	Purdue	6.47	67.6	437.37
Jahleel Billingsley	TE	2023	Texas	7.95	50.8	403.86
Johnny Lumpkin	TE	2023	Louisiana	6.4	61.8	395.52
Brady Russell	TE	2023	Colorado	6.32	52.1	329.27
Kris Leach	TE	2023	Kent State	6.23	50.7	315.86
Jordan Murray	TE	2023	Hawaii	6.56	44.3	290.61

[Karnage84]

PLAYER	POS	DRFT YR	SCHOOL	RAS	PFF	SCORE
Sydney Brown	SS	2023	Illinois	9.66	78.4	757.34
Jordan Battle	SS	2023	Alabama	9.28	81.5	756.32
Kaevon Merriweather	SS	2023	Iowa	8.29	88.1	730.35
Jordan Howden	FS	2023	Minnesota	8.81	78.7	693.35
Anthony Johnson Jr.	FS	2023	Iowa State	9.27	73.2	678.56
Jartavius Martin	FS	2023	Illinois	9.22	73.2	674.90
Jason Taylor II	SS	2023	Oklahoma State	9.25	72.2	667.85
Daniel Scott	FS	2023	California	9.93	66.8	663.32
Azizi Hearn	FS	2023	UCLA	9.26	68.6	635.24
Chamarri Conner	FS	2023	Virginia Tech	9.44	65	613.60
Jerrick Reed	FS	2023	New Mexico	7.17	75.7	542.77
Brian Branch	FS	2023	Alabama	6.06	89.5	542.37
Trey Dean	SS	2023	Florida	8.13	66.1	537.39
Nico Bolden	SS	2023	Kent State	8.67	59.5	515.87
Brandon Hill	SS	2023	Pittsburgh	7.69	66.8	513.69
DeMarcco Hellams	FS	2023	Alabama	6.72	73.4	493.25
Devon Matthews	FS	2023	Indiana	7.15	67.5	482.63
Jammie Robinson	SS	2023	Florida State	5.94	80.1	475.79
Brandon Joseph	SS	2023	Notre Dame	6.26	73.4	459.48
Bennett Williams	FS	2023	Oregon	6.23	73.3	456.66
Jay Ward	FS	2023	Lousiana State	8.18	55.2	451.54
Antonio Johnson	FS	2023	Texas A&M	5.26	81.6	429.22
Anthony Johnson	FS	2023	Virginia	5.16	82.5	425.70
Ji'Ayir Brown	FS	2023	Penn State	5.38	78.7	423.41
Mo Osling III	FS	2023	UCLA	5.85	69.9	408.92
Bricen Garner	SS	2023	Western Michigan	5.37	67.7	363.55
Kendall Smith	FS	2023	Illinois	5.04	70.2	353.81
Anthony Cook	FS	2023	Texas	5.44	64.7	351.97

[Louis Friend]

4 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

DRAFT PICK	PFF	RAS
Round 1 (3): CB Jeffrey Okudah.		8.96
Round 2 (35): RB D'Andre Swift.		7.56
Round 3 (67): EDGE Julian Okwara.
Round 3 (75): G Jonah Jackson.		6.49
Round 4 (121): G Logan Stenberg.		6.15
Round 5 (166): WR Quintez Cephus.		4.51
Round 5 (172): RB Jason Huntley.		8.07
Round 6 (197): DI John Penisini.
	AVG	6.96
2021
Pick 1 — OT Penei Sewell.		8.99
Pick 2 — DT Levi Onwuzurike		8.73
Pick 3 — DT Alim McNeill		8.51
Pick 4 — CB Ifeatu Melifonwu		9.69
Pick 5 — WR Amon-Ra St. Brown		7.12
Pick 6 — LB Derrick Barnes		8.43
Pick 7 — RB Jermar Jefferson		2.23
	AVG	7.67
2022
Round 1, Pick 2: Aidan Hutchinson, EDGE, Michigan.		9.88
Round 1, pick 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Alabama.
Round 2, pick 46: Josh Paschal, EDGE, Kentucky.		9.7
Round 3, pick 97: Kerby Joseph, S, Illinois.
Round 6, pick 217: James Houston, EDGE, Jackson		7.93
	AVG	9.17

But Holmes didn’t draft 2020, that was Quinn. 

[Karnage84]

Just now, Louis Friend said:

But Holmes didn’t draft 2020, that was Quinn. 

I'm aware of that... I did 2020 so that we had a comparison of what a Holmes vs Quinn draft would look like. 

[General Tso]

2 hours ago, Karnage84 said:

PLAYER	ADP	POS	DRFT YR	SCHOOL	RAS	PFF	SCORE
Bijan Robinson	26.4	RB	2023	Texas	9.83	95.30	936.80
Jack Campbell	44.9	LB	2023	Iowa	9.98	91.9	917.16
Blake Freeland	85.8	OT	2023	Brigham Young	9.88	91	899.08
Clayton Tune	223.6	QB	2023	Houston	9.73	92	895.16
Cody Mauch	69.8	OT	2023	North Dakota State	9.31	91.8	854.66
Peter Skoronski	11.7	OT	2023	Northwestern	9.28	89.5	830.56
Andrei Iosivas	134.2	WR	2023	Princeton	9.92	83.6	829.31
Christian Gonzalez	10.6	CB	2023	Oregon	9.94	83.3	828.00
Rashee Rice	70.5	WR	2023	Southern Methodist	9.6	85.9	824.64
Nick Hampton	228.1	ED	2023	Appalachian State	9.72	84.3	819.40
Yasir Abdullah	157.5	ED	2023	Louisville	9.72	84.2	818.42
Emmanuel Forbes	35.4	CB	2023	Mississippi State	9.25	87.2	806.60
Riley Moss	125.1	CB	2023	Iowa	9.9	81.4	805.86

It'd be crazy if teams Big Boards look like this but they also factor in the "projected round" and that's how you get an NFL teams board.

[Karnage84]

4 minutes ago, General Tso said:

It'd be crazy if teams Big Boards look like this but they also factor in the "projected round" and that's how you get an NFL teams board.

I consider PFF a summarization/standardization of "production". It's through one lense but it's based on an overall series of standardized metrics. RAS is its own thing. He factors in size but I don't know if he REALLY factors in size. 

A 5'7, 160 lb WR running 4.39 is athletic and impressive. Calvin Johnson running 4.39 is superhuman. I believe the RAS is based off of the top score for a particular position (giving it a score of 10) and then downgrading against that score.