MKnight82 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/4/21/23692101/in-2022-washington-commanders-drafted-heavily-from-the-senior-bowl-will-they-do-it-again-nfl 2022 Washington Draft Picks: Round 1 • Pick 16 • WR Jahan Dotson Round 2 • Pick 15 • DT Phidarian Mathis Round 3 • Pick 34 • RB Brian Robinson Round 4 • Pick 8 • SAF Percy Butler Round 5 • Pick 1 • QB Sam Howell Round 5 • Pick 6 • TE Cole Turner Round 7 • Pick 9 • G Chris Paul Round 7 • Pick 19 • CB Christian Holmes Taken off waivers: Tariq Castro-Fields, Penn State (CB) John Ridgeway, Arkansas (DT) All but two players we added last year played in the Senior Bowl. 2021 looked like this: 2021 Washington Draft Picks: Round 1, pick 19 – Jamin Davis, LB, Kentucky Round 2, pick 51 – Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas Round 3, pick 74 – Benjamin St-Juste, CB, Minnesota Round 3, pick 82 – Dyami Brown, WR, North Carolina Round 4, pick 124 – John Bates, TE, Boise State Round 5, pick 163 – Darrick Forrest, S, Cincinnati Round 6, pick 225 (from PHI) – Camaron Cheeseman, LS, Michigan Round 7, pick 240 (From SF through PHI) – William Bradley-King, DE, Baylor Round 7, pick 246 – Shaka Toney, DE, Penn State Round 7, pick 258 (from KC through MIA) – Dax Milne, WR, BYU Half of the players came from the Senior Bowl in 2021 as well. This year we've apparently sent a crapload of coaches to scout the Senior Bowl. I find this to be a very odd way of building a team. We have full time scouts looking at players all year but yet basically only draft players from this one event? This to me reeks of Rivera not trusting his scouts but instead his coaches with player evaluation. Limiting yourself to only Seniors also probably gets you a lot of high floor players but not a lot of superstars (which we need). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 24, 2023 Author Share Posted April 24, 2023 If you're curious, these were this year's Senior Bowl rosters: https://www.seniorbowl.com/players/national-team/ https://www.seniorbowl.com/players/american-team/ If you want to place a bet on who we're drafting this week, it'll be a bunch of guys from those rosters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Yeah Rivera hasn't been a great drafter. I'm not sure why anyone has been impressed. From all my research, there's a difference in talent between Juniors and Seniors in rounds 1-3. Juniors average out Highers in Round 1 and Round 3. Round 2 is almost even with a slight edge to Juniors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offbyone Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 It's an interesting situation. On the one hand I think the senior bowl can show a lot. It puts these players in a foreign environment working with NFL coaches, a different set of team mates and likely making the players operate in a manner that is often different than they are used to. But I also agree that the numbers seem a bit outsized. I do think there have been times some of our coaching staffs have actually coached at the senior bowl and that can give you an eye opening view on some of the players. If I had to guess, I would bet we draft one of the oline there of in this order of likelyhood: Steen, McClendon, or Torrence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Just to add in 2020: 1. Chase Young 3. Antonio Gibson 4. Saahdiq Charles 4. Antonio Gandy-Golden 5. Keith Ismael 5. Khaleke Hudson 7. Kamren Curl 7. James Smith-Williams UDFA: Steven Montez 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 2 hours ago, taylor made said: Yeah Rivera hasn't been a great drafter. I'm not sure why anyone has been impressed. From all my research, there's a difference in talent between Juniors and Seniors in rounds 1-3. Juniors average out Highers in Round 1 and Round 3. Round 2 is almost even with a slight edge to Juniors. They haven’t been bad at drafting either. In 2020 they got 3 starters, a top back up & a top special teams players In 2021 they got 4 starters & maybe 5 if Cosmi wins the starting RG spot In 2022 they got 3 starters, a top back up & 2 top special teams players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor made Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, turtle28 said: They haven’t been bad at drafting either. In 2020 they got 3 starters, a top back up & a top special teams players In 2021 they got 4 starters & maybe 5 if Cosmi wins the starting RG spot In 2022 they got 3 starters, a top back up & 2 top special teams players That can be impressive to you, but not to me. Ron is still paying the price for the Chase Young pick and he's gonna do everything to justify it this year by drafting a CB to get a couple coverage sacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 7 minutes ago, taylor made said: That can be impressive to you, but not to me. Ron is still paying the price for the Chase Young pick and he's gonna do everything to justify it this year by drafting a CB to get a couple coverage sacks. It’s hindsight to act like Chase was a bad draft pick bc Herbert has exceeded everyone in the world’s expectations. We also have no clue what Chase will do this year & beyond that he was one draft pick. Overall they’ve hit on a lot of picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted April 25, 2023 Author Share Posted April 25, 2023 11 hours ago, taylor made said: That can be impressive to you, but not to me. Ron is still paying the price for the Chase Young pick and he's gonna do everything to justify it this year by drafting a CB to get a couple coverage sacks. They’re targeting a CB because Fuller is in the last year of his deal and St Juste can’t stay on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 33 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: They’re targeting a CB because Fuller is in the last year of his deal and St Juste can’t stay on the field. But , but, but --we have Castro-fields and Wildgoose ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, turtle28 said: It’s hindsight to act like Chase was a bad draft pick bc Herbert has exceeded everyone in the world’s expectations. We also have no clue what Chase will do this year & beyond that he was one draft pick. Overall they’ve hit on a lot of picks. It was the right pick. Dwayne had just finished the season playing well and appearing to develop so we thought we had our guy but Rivera inexplicably fired KOC to bring in Norv's kid. In hindsight I'd love to have Herbert but so would all the other teams who passed on him with the exception of the Bengals. Same goes for Mahomes, Allen and any other great QB not picked first overall. Edited April 25, 2023 by lavar703 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSkinGM Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 26 minutes ago, lavar703 said: It was the right pick. Dwayne had just finished the season playing well and appearing to develop so we thought we had our guy but Rivera inexplicably fired KOC to bring in Norv's kid. In hindsight I'd love to have Herbert but so would all the other teams who passed on him with the exception of the Bengals. Same goes for Mahomes, Allen and any other great QB not picked first overall. Trade down was the move - if they could have found a dance partner. Over-rated, overdrafted . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lavar703 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 25 minutes ago, RSkinGM said: Trade down was the move - if they could have found a dance partner. Over-rated, overdrafted . I'm not doing this with you again lol. Agree to disagree. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 9:52 AM, RSkinGM said: Trade down was the move - if they could have found a dance partner. Over-rated, overdrafted . Some fans were talking about that but that certainly wasn’t the consensus of almost all football reporters etc & the reports they were getting from scouts & GMs as well. Almost everyone buy a few thought Chase should be the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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