vegas492 Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Thanks. I didn't feel like we had done that yet. Feels more like we are spreading the ball and every different week could be a different leading receiver. Gonna be sweet when Wicks is the first to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, Arthur Penske said: When Love tosses the ball to him (or any other WR) behind the LOS as he's running parallel to the LOS, are those considered passes & receptions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Leader said: When Love tosses the ball to him (or any other WR) behind the LOS as he's running parallel to the LOS, are those considered passes & receptions? as long as the pass travels forward I'd assume they are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, turf toe said: as long as the pass travels forward I'd assume they are Really? I'd not thought of that. So if Loves closer to LOS and the WR is passing "behind" him....thats a handoff - and a pass if their positions are reversed? Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Leader said: Really? I'd not thought of that. So if Loves closer to LOS and the WR is passing "behind" him....thats a handoff - and a pass if their positions are reversed? Hmmm. Agreed but I believe that would be considered a lateral, a hand off is when both parties touch the ball at the same time. the jet sweeps, the quickie little flips are laterals Edited December 14, 2023 by turf toe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Leader said: Really? I'd not thought of that. So if Loves closer to LOS and the WR is passing "behind" him....thats a handoff - and a pass if their positions are reversed? Hmmm. It's literally just the definition of a forward pass. If the ball moves forward from the QBs hand it's either going to be a completed pass or an incomplete pass. If it moves backwards it's a lateral or a fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just now, incognito_man said: It's literally just the definition of a forward pass. If the ball moves forward from the QBs hand it's either going to be a completed pass or an incomplete pass. If it moves backwards it's a lateral or a fumble. Perhaps so...but thats seriously splitting hairs. A QB can soft toss the ball to a RB to get outside and it's considered a handoff stat-wise. So - just reversing the same soft toss to a WR moving a foot or two in front of him is considered a pass? Perhaps thats the case....but IMO an actual "pass" should be something that crosses the LOS in the air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 16 minutes ago, Leader said: Perhaps so...but thats seriously splitting hairs. A QB can soft toss the ball to a RB to get outside and it's considered a handoff stat-wise. So - just reversing the same soft toss to a WR moving a foot or two in front of him is considered a pass? Perhaps thats the case....but IMO an actual "pass" should be something that crosses the LOS in the air. You are trying to split hairs. If the ball moves forward, out of the Qb's hands and into a RB or WR's hands, it is a forward pass. There's a ton of it in the NFL now. Ball isn't live if it hits the ground. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, vegas492 said: You are trying to split hairs. If the ball moves forward, out of the Qb's hands and into a RB or WR's hands, it is a forward pass. There's a ton of it in the NFL now. Ball isn't live if it hits the ground. Actually not. I think an actual pass is something that crosses the LOS in the air. Not a simple toss to a WR a foot in front of the QB behind the LOS. That's way too similar to any number of ways the ball's transferred to RBs - which are considered hand offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Leader said: Actually not. I think an actual pass is something that crosses the LOS in the air. Not a simple toss to a WR a foot in front of the QB behind the LOS. That's way too similar to any number of ways the ball's transferred to RBs - which are considered hand offs. Well, you're wrong. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Well, you're wrong. A HS kid here threw for 300 yards here a couple years ago running like an option offense where all he did was those shovel touch pass things all game. He never had one ball go past the LOS, 300 yards passing. I think of it every time I see one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: Well, you're wrong. Could be based on how the NFL accumulates stats....I just think the LOS is the operative criteria. The balls gotta cross it in the air in order to actually be a pass and a reception with YAC stats assigned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Leader said: Could be based on how the NFL accumulates stats....I just think the LOS is the operative criteria. The balls gotta cross it in the air in order to actually be a pass and a reception with YAC stats assigned. Well I suppose you can create your own league with your own rules 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyJoeDavola Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, Norm said: A HS kid here threw for 300 yards here a couple years ago running like an option offense where all he did was those shovel touch pass things all game. He never had one ball go past the LOS, 300 yards passing. I think of it every time I see one. They basically ran option plays with the pitch man in front? It really is kind of genius. No more fumble possibility from a bad or mishandled pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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