lancerman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 8:58 PM, Twizlers said: It was the Broncos @ Rams game in 2014. He, and the rest of the Broncos offense, was never the same after that debacle. This. Once they lost that game against the Rams he was never "Peyton Manning" anymore. He just didn't look the same. The problem was that after the neck injury Peyton even when he was lighting it up was going mostly off his intellect and his physical play was very different. He literally had to rebuild from the ground up. That's why even though he played amazing in 2013 he didn't look as outright dominant as he looked in 2004. Regardless after that game the signs were there. He started hot, but if you were going to say when did the end reveal itself, it was that game against the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 On 12/7/2017 at 9:52 PM, JLambert58 said: And, why, for the love of all that is holy, can Tom Brady not decline in similar fashion? I always thought Peyton was more like Frankenstein: Tom Brady didn't have a horrific neck injury where he had to rebuild his play up from zero in a fashion that was impossible to sustain and doesn't have to deal with changing coaches who accelerated it by changing up the offense from what he spent his whole career in, into something entirely different. Peyton in 2013 was a master who could make the passes just enough to a master in late 2014 and 2015 who missed the passes by just a little. And that makes all the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlong Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Peyton's rapid decline happened after he played us, not the Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, everlong said: Peyton's rapid decline happened after he played us, not the Rams. No. He kicked the hell out of Oakland the following week, The Rams game was where you could see the the weaknesses he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everlong Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, lancerman said: No. He kicked the hell out of Oakland the following week, The Rams game was where you could see the the weaknesses he had. And he really struggled in the first half of that game, which included two interceptions...and the Raiders were winless at the time. The Pats game is when the battery died, the Raiders game was the jump start and the Rams game is when the battery completely died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Just now, everlong said: And he really struggled in the first half of that game, which included two interceptions...and the Raiders were winless at the time. The Pats game is when the battery died, the Raiders game was the jump start and the Rams game is when the battery completely died. And he went on to get 5 TD's and beat the bricks off of them. He had a slow start but had a great game. If you are looking for a "when was the point where Peyton fell and never came back from it until he slowly slid into complete failure) it's the Rams game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 47 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: You understand that you can have a ton of pretty stat lines and play poorly or not be very good right? Joe Flacco would have thrown for 50 TDs on that team. Again garbage. Manning made Knowshon Moreno and Julius Thomas into 10 TD men. Not the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 21 minutes ago, tonyto36 said: You didn't have to read defenses very well when you have four probowlers winning three out of four matchups every single play. Broncos ran a pretty vanilla offense that relied on players winning matchups - just like the Peyton Colts did. And the Broncos receivers won huge that year. Welker, DT, Decker, Thomas was arguably the best top 4 in NFL history. Plus a dominant OL. Vasquez got first team all pro but Franklin and Beadles both had probowl calibre seasons IIRC. And just a random note looking at the roster, I don't know how that defense wasn't better than it was that year. Underachieved for sure. Very good/elite front 7 and two elite corners. Throwing that many TDs is not that easy to do, regardless of who is on the roster. Every QB that has thrown high 40s plus has had a great supporting cast. I mean sure, another elite QB could have thrown 55 with that roster, but not average guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 1 minute ago, paul-mac said: Again garbage. Manning made Knowshon Moreno and Julius Thomas into 10 TD men. Not the other way round. People said this about Decker too and that was proven wrong. The reality is that Julius Thomas and Knowshon Moreno benefited (just like Manning) from being on an incredibly stacked offense where defenses were stretching themselves thin to beat the real star players and those two were competent enough to consistently beat whatever was left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 The last quarter of the 2014 season is when his play seems to have declined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 So what happened in the Rams game? I definitely dont remember that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 7 hours ago, lancerman said: Tom Brady didn't have a horrific neck injury where he had to rebuild his play up from zero in a fashion that was impossible to sustain and doesn't have to deal with changing coaches who accelerated it by changing up the offense from what he spent his whole career in, into something entirely different. Peyton in 2013 was a master who could make the passes just enough to a master in late 2014 and 2015 who missed the passes by just a little. And that makes all the difference. Yes, that's all true, but name me another QB that was able to maintain a high level of performance into his 40s. Warren Moon? Farve was pretty good at 39-40. I guess what I'm saying, as someone who has had to suffer at the hands of this cyborg: Enough's enough already. Disclaimer: Insincere apologies to my Patriot fan bretheren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 What was it Romo said, a good throwing motion and a good OL = you can play into your 40s.\ Tom's avocado ice cream and chia flax cacao seed tea has NOTHING to do with it, imo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It was his last season. Nothing looked right from the start and the offense could never get in sync. That was the season where he all of a sudden couldnt throw a football more than 10 yards which allowed defenders to sit on pick plays and screens to blow everything up knowing they cant throw 15+ yards down field. In 2013/2014 he could still deliver the ball downfield, that magically went away in 2015 and their offense got demolished because everybody just played bump coverage and played the underneath routes knowing the ball was never going to be thrown over their heads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, AkronsWitness said: It was his last season. Nothing looked right from the start and the offense could never get in sync. That was the season where he all of a sudden couldnt throw a football more than 10 yards which allowed defenders to sit on pick plays and screens to blow everything up knowing they cant throw 15+ yards down field. In 2013/2014 he could still deliver the ball downfield, that magically went away in 2015 and their offense got demolished because everybody just played bump coverage and played the underneath routes knowing the ball was never going to be thrown over their heads. No it didn't. They lost the 2014 playoff game against the Colts for the same reason they struggled in 2015. Peyton couldn't get it done then. After the Rams game he really never played well again. They beat the hell out of him and that fast start he got off to at the beginning of the season disappeared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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