diamondbull424 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 36 minutes ago, MaddHatter said: Where did he say he had Dak above Purdy? He literally mentioned both having one bad game and dropping from contenders to runner ups behind Lamar Where did I say that he had Dak above Purdy? I simply asked him for his argument for why Dak would be above Purdy in the discussion. As if Dak’s case is volume with efficiency, then why would he be in the discussion considering that would also be Purdy’s case as well... only Purdy is ~10 points better in passer rating, 2 points higher in ANY/A, and nearly 2 points better in AY/A. So I’m just curious what exactly would have Dak, from his POV, still in the discussion with Lamar (impact guy), Purdy (efficient guy), and Allen (volume guy). I am not saying it’s wrong or right to have Dak in the conversation, but I’d like to know why he has him in the conversation exactly. All the bullet points as to what is still his “claim to fame” for the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Jordan Love deserves a vote for navigating the Aaron Rodgers fallout, and helping Green Bay move on. BTW, not happy about the Packers potentially having a third straight great QB. Poor Bears. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 8 hours ago, diamondbull424 said: Where did I say that he had Dak above Purdy? I simply asked him for his argument for why Dak would be above Purdy in the discussion. As if Dak’s case is volume with efficiency, then why would he be in the discussion considering that would also be Purdy’s case as well... only Purdy is ~10 points better in passer rating, 2 points higher in ANY/A, and nearly 2 points better in AY/A. So I’m just curious what exactly would have Dak, from his POV, still in the discussion with Lamar (impact guy), Purdy (efficient guy), and Allen (volume guy). I am not saying it’s wrong or right to have Dak in the conversation, but I’d like to know why he has him in the conversation exactly. All the bullet points as to what is still his “claim to fame” for the award. “what is your argument for having Dak above Purdy in the MVP discussion?” To ask someone to make an argument for something infers you believe that they either believe that argument or that they’ve claimed that. Stop trolling and trying to create strawman arguments to bait other posters - be better. As for your question as to why someone would have Dak in the conversation even if he’s not currently a front runner… The fact is, the seasons not over and all of the candidates are quite capable of either winning the award with a week to go, or they’re equally capable of blowing it, minus Lamar who may be resting, though I haven’t seen confirmation of that. If Dak finishes leading the league in TD:INT with a 4:1 ratio AND leads the league in passing touchdowns, then he has “a case”. Does that make him the MVP? No - the MVP has always been a mix of storyline, fame, and performance. Why have him over Allen? Same reason Dak was getting trashed last year by everyone under the sun, ball security. Why have him over Purdy or Lamar? Haven’t seen that case be made yet. In face the only case I imagine anyone could even try to make would be Purdy having the weapons he has and Lamar for the passing stats if they’re trying to ignore his ability with his feet. Would I agree with them? No Edited January 3 by MaddHatter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Did you guys see Lamar's fake leftie vs Miami on the Zay TD? That was awesome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Josh Allen has an opportunity to show out on primetime. Though Lamar's perfect passer rating against the Dolphins might have already sealed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, General Tso said: Josh Allen has an opportunity to show out on primetime. Though Lamar's perfect passer rating against the Dolphins might have already sealed it. Allen’s not even in the convo this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 29 minutes ago, MaddHatter said: Allen’s not even in the convo this year. Which I find unfortunate, because he has good raw numbers and a chance at the 2 seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeezla Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Josh Allen has 42 TD's. He's in the convo, he's just not going to win. He probably would have won if he threw 3 or 4 less picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) Allen was not playing especially well for a good chunk of the season. His terrible play led directly to the week 1 loss vs the Jets after Rodgers went down. During BUF's 3-5 stretch in Oct-Nov, he threw at least one INT in every game. Heck, since week 5, there has only been one game where Allen has not thrown an INT. Allen is not in the MVP conversation. Edited January 6 by Mazrimiv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 19 minutes ago, Jeezla said: Josh Allen has 42 TD's. He's in the convo, he's just not going to win. He probably would have won if he threw 3 or 4 less picks. Not sure what you are looking at, but Josh Allen has 27 TD's and 16 INT's this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said: Not sure what you are looking at, but Josh Allen has 27 TD's and 16 INT's this season Allen got 15 rushing TDs, my man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, Mazrimiv said: Not sure what you are looking at, but Josh Allen has 27 TD's and 16 INT's this season He has 15 rushing TDs as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Soggust said: Allen got 15 rushing TDs, my man. AH... derp. My mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I don't really think there is a convo to be had because I think Lamar is winning it, but in the fight for second place, I think I would take Dak, then Purdy, then I'm heavily considering Tua + Stroud over Allen. IMO his peak play any given game is best in league, he's just inconsistent. Still a top 5 QB overall, just a bit too many turnovers this year, like Mahomes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) Should probably be mentioned that Allen also had 6 fumbles. Allen has an MVP level skill set, but this just wasn't his year. Edited January 6 by Mazrimiv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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