big_palooka Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 2 hours ago, Darbsk said: The big question is; Would you prefer AP and Telesco or Gruden with complete control, that’s likely the options we have here, right? I'd have to take Telesco over Gruden as GM. And hope that AP gets a mulligan on OC. Gruden can coach an offense. Bowers would have 15 touches a game in his offense. Edited October 9 by big_palooka 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: This is fair.. And the Lions will eventually crumble once he leave. See Dan Quinn post Shanahan. The defensive coach needs a great OC. Problem is, if they are good they are gone quick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: This is fair.. Fair, but AP and Campbell are very different aside from being former players and rah-rah guys. Campbell spent around a decade in the league before getting a HC nod. He also wouldn't have given the ""business decisions" speech. He would've said it was 100% on him for the guys not being prepared to win. We know this, because he actually did that. Guys may wanna hit the club with Pierce, but they'll run through a wall for Campbell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 33 minutes ago, big_palooka said: And the Lions will eventually crumble once he leave. See Dan Quinn post Shanahan. The defensive coach needs a great OC. Problem is, if they are good they are gone quick. I think they'll be alright when Johnson leaves, depending on who he takes with him. Scottie Montgomery, Tanner Engstrand, Mark Brunell...there's some potential there. Probably not near Johnson's level, but we'll see. One thing Detroit has going for them is plenty of bright minds will be lining up to replace Ben. They have a ton of offensive talent and attracting high level coordinators won't be an issue for at least a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 3 hours ago, Darbsk said: The big question is; Would you prefer AP and Telesco or Gruden with complete control, that’s likely the options we have here, right? Honestly? Gruden, if we're sticking specifically to ball. His drafting is bonkers. But we were on an upward trajectory. That's undeniable. He proved he could still coach in the NFL and adapt well enough to not become a dinosaur. Cause for celebration? Hardly. But I can't deny the guy genuinely knows ball. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 46 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Honestly? Gruden, if we're sticking specifically to ball. His drafting is bonkers. But we were on an upward trajectory. That's undeniable. He proved he could still coach in the NFL and adapt well enough to not become a dinosaur. Cause for celebration? Hardly. But I can't deny the guy genuinely knows ball. Yep, I actually like Gruden as purely a coach, but he’s become a side show almost. His personnel decisions are erratic and impulsive which is never a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, ronjon1990 said: Honestly? Gruden, if we're sticking specifically to ball. His drafting is bonkers. But we were on an upward trajectory. That's undeniable. He proved he could still coach in the NFL and adapt well enough to not become a dinosaur. Cause for celebration? Hardly. But I can't deny the guy genuinely knows ball. It took Gruden 3 seasons to get to .500 (8-8) From A team that was one year out of the playoffs. For the money he was paid, that’s a disappointment His DC choices were awful too. Paul Guenther 😂 Edited October 9 by bucksavage1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 15 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: It took Gruden 3 seasons to get to .500 (8-8) From A team that was one year out of the playoffs. For the money he was paid, that’s a disappointment His DC choices were awful too. Paul Guenther 😂 And wasn’t it Rich Bisaccia who got to the playoffs rather than Gruden aswell? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 6 minutes ago, Darbsk said: And wasn’t it Rich Bisaccia who got to the playoffs rather than Gruden aswell? It was. Gruden was fired at 3-2, but it did feel like we’d finally started to reach where he wanted the team to be before the allegations came out which forced his “resignation”. It taking 4 seasons to get there wasn’t ideal considering the money he was getting paid, though. It’s very rare that HCs get to their 4th season after missing the playoffs in the previous 3. I’d really, really rather not have him come in and try to blow the whole thing up for another slow rebuild yet again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1RAIDER FAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Nightmare said: It was. Gruden was fired at 3-2, but it did feel like we’d finally started to reach where he wanted the team to be before the allegations came out which forced his “resignation”. It taking 4 seasons to get there wasn’t ideal considering the money he was getting paid, though. It’s very rare that HCs get to their 4th season after missing the playoffs in the previous 3. I’d really, really rather not have him come in and try to blow the whole thing up for another slow rebuild yet again. What a mess all that was too with Ruggs and all. And the DC hires as said above is a good reminder of why not to bring Gruden back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1RAIDER FAN Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 Who are the top candidates this year? In no order and off the top of my head OCs Ben Johnson, Lions Liam Coen, Bucs Ryan Grubbs, Seahawks Zac Robinson, Falcons Frank Smith, Dolphins Joe Brady, Bills Bobby Slowik, Texans Former HCs Mike Vrabel Robert Saleh Bill Belicheck Jon Gruden Doug Pederson, probably fired Zac Taylor, maybe fired Mike McCarthy, maybe fired Brian Flores Not saying all of those are good choices, but some I can see getting some buzz by end of year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 14 hours ago, Darbsk said: And wasn’t it Rich Bisaccia who got to the playoffs rather than Gruden aswell? Yes, it was. Gruden talked a big game and delivered mid results. Considering that he traded Khalil Mack and then produced some of the worst drafts ever, he can’t be considered as a coach again. To those who think Gruden just wants to coach without personnel input… that’s a head coach and GM power struggle waiting to happen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 8 minutes ago, bucksavage1 said: Yes, it was. Gruden talked a big game and delivered mid results. Considering that he traded Khalil Mack and then produced some of the worst drafts ever, he can’t be considered as a coach again. To those who think Gruden just wants to coach without personnel input… that’s a head coach and GM power struggle waiting to happen Gruden showed his offense was up to date and not some relic. However a third go round just seems ridiculous to me what if it’s starts very slow ?. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Styrian Raider Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 6 minutes ago, SimonGruber said: Gruden showed his offense was up to date and not some relic. However a third go round just seems ridiculous to me what if it’s starts very slow ?. Gruden proved that he can build & design an offense - However I wouldn't want him as HC again. But I would consider him as an adviser for hiring staff for the offense side, especially with an defensive minded HC like AP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksavage1 Posted October 10 Share Posted October 10 7 minutes ago, SimonGruber said: Gruden showed his offense was up to date and not some relic. However a third go round just seems ridiculous to me what if it’s starts very slow ?. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/GrudJo0.htm His offenses the 4 years he was here ranked : Points: 28th, 24th , 10th and 18th Yards: 23rd, 11th , 8th, 11th I agree, it is ridiculous to go a third round with Gruden. What happens if his team starts slow again? Why would he be given more time than past HCs? The best he did here was 8-8 after the 3rd season. Mayock admittedly the one who found Crosby and Koonce. Seeing how his drafts went at the top , the team would of bottom out eventually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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