bcb1213 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, Blue said: Because they play different positions within the scheme, lol Just a bizarre assumption to make. EDIT: Reed is 10 pounds heavier and has played in the 310s at times, iirc. you realize this is going to be more of a Hybrid type of defense even in base right. The new D Coordinator comes from dallas/dan quinn protege so even though its labeled a three four , it's more a 4-3 over with I'm guessing Nwosu playing more the Parsons role. So don't think of me saying Murphy is a 3-4 type of traditional mountain nose tackle but more a 4-3 not the up tackle type, which is where I think he'd be better, We'll see what the defense looks like once the season starts I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: you realize this is going to be more of a Hybrid type of defense even in base right. The new D Coordinator comes from dallas/dan quinn protege so even though its labeled a three four , it's more a 4-3 over with I'm guessing Nwosu playing more the Parsons role. So don't think of me saying Murphy is a 3-4 type of traditional mountain nose tackle but more a 4-3 not the up tackle type, which is where I think he'd be better, We'll see what the defense looks like once the season starts I guess You literally wrote "nose tackle in a 3-4 base." So "Murphy is a 3-4 type of traditional mountain nose tackle" is exactly what you said because that is what that means. I mean I guess he could be Jay Ratliff but we haven't seen that kind of player used in that way in literally 15 years. Even Javon Hargrave was bigger. Edited April 26 by Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 Just now, Blue said: You literally wrote "nose tackle in a 3-4 base." So "Murphy is a 3-4 type of traditional mountain nose tackle" is exactly what you said because that is what that means. right a 3-4 base is what it's listed as currently on the seahawks site. I don't know what you want me to tell you. I didn't feel like getting into 3 paragraph explanations on each grade. He's not going to be the UT or the DE in however this ends up looking which is where I think he'd be a better fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 1 minute ago, bcb1213 said: right a 3-4 base is what it's listed as currently on the seahawks site. I don't know what you want me to tell you. I didn't feel like getting into 3 paragraph explanations on each grade. He's not going to be the UT or the DE in however this ends up looking which is where I think he'd be a better fit Why would you say that? That's exactly what he's going to be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 4 minutes ago, Blue said: Why would you say that? That's exactly what he's going to be! I've already given you my opinion and reasoning, you're welcome to disagree with it. I also think on passing downs they move williams to the UT role with murphy at NT. These are all just my guesses. No one really knows til kickoff how it will play out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 3 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: I've already given you my opinion and reasoning, you're welcome to disagree with it. I also think on passing downs they move williams to the UT role with murphy at NT. These are all just my guesses. No one really knows til kickoff how it will play out Your reasoning is explicitly contradictory, lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rackcs Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 If I had to guess, I'd think Macdonald wants to use Byron Murphy similarly to how he used in Madubuike in Baltimore 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EaglesPeteC Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 I get the Penix pick being an F for value for the Falcons IRL, but for someone that I drafted late whose range of outcomes was somewhere day 2 with no path to ever be a starter, to get pick 8 draft capital even if he has to sit for a couple years is a pretty good landing spot. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 49 minutes ago, EaglesPeteC said: I get the Penix pick being an F for value for the Falcons IRL, but for someone that I drafted late whose range of outcomes was somewhere day 2 with no path to ever be a starter, to get pick 8 draft capital even if he has to sit for a couple years is a pretty good landing spot. I don't disagree, like i said, the grades are instant play value more than long term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 I'd like to propose a rule change. I believe that PFA picks should be allowed to be traded up to and during the PFA draft. It's like having ANOTHER draft, and drafting is the best. There is no downside. Yea: TL Nay: No one 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 27 Share Posted April 27 8 hours ago, TL-TwoWinsAway said: I'd like to propose a rule change. I believe that PFA picks should be allowed to be traded up to and during the PFA draft. It's like having ANOTHER draft, and drafting is the best. There is no downside. Yea: TL Nay: No one nah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 If I missed someone, let me know It's time again for the yearly landing grades. This is not a grade on player eval but moreso instant playing time and scheme fit grades Greenland Polar Bears Caleb Williams QB. Chicago A. Great skill position players and a solid if unspectacular line. Can't ask for any more for your rookie starting qb Raleigh Firebirds Marvin Harrison Jr.WR. Arizona A. I am not the biggest Kyler fan but he's certainly not awful and Marvin will clearly get as many looks as he can handle Anchorage Aliens Malik Nabers WR Giants A. Will instantly be the number one starter like Harrison. The minus comes from being attached to Daniel Jones Anchorage Aliens Rome Odunze WR. Chicago. C. Long term this is a great fit for him pairing with Caleb but year one he's likely looking at being target four Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Joe Alt OT. Chargers C. He's going to be a stud for Harbaugh for quite some time but you likely drafted Alt to be a LT and not a RT Ivory Coast Black Rhino's Dallas Turner Edge. Vikings A. Starting role with a team that traded up for him and a creative DC to use him Lancaster Werewolves Olu Fashanu OT. Jets C. Look we all know Tyron Smiths injury history but idk if Olu starts week one. But if there's someone you want him to learn from, it's Tyron Berlin Blitzkrieg Terrion Arnold CB. Lions A-. Likely starts at CB2. Aaron Glenn as a former CB should coach him up and former teammate Branch to help him acclimate Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Jayden Daniel's QB. Washington B. So the weapons are solid with Terry, ekeler, and a securities blanket in Ertz. But that offensive line is woof. Also fits kliffs system Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Drake Maye QB. Patriots C. Pats may start with Brisset and even if Maye starts week one, I think new England's number one wr is kj Osborn? Lancaster Werewolves Jared Verse Edge Rams A. The rams seem to develop these kind of guys better than most and he'll likely play a ton Anchorage Aliens Brock Bowers TE. Oakland B-. So he probably starts at TE but they just drafted a TE last year whose a better Blocker and a limited qb room Hungary Hippos Quinyon Mitchell CB. Eagles A. He'll be able to start instantly on a contending team with a good pass rush to fierce quicker throws New Orleans Jazz Laiatu Latu EDGE. B+. He likely gets a healthy snap share early but indy hasnt shown much ability to develop pass rushers the past couple years New Orleans Jazz Brian Thomas Jr. WR B. Always good long term to land with a young qb but it's another offense with a lot of mouths to feed Greenland Polar Bears JC Latham OT A. Has an everyday gig locked up by default in Tennessee. Will be interesting to see if they use him at LT Greenland Polar Bears J.J. Mccarthy QB. Minnesota B+. Year two this is likely an A. I think Minnesota will ease him in and start Darnold for a couple months but easily great WR and o line here with a good qb developing head coach Raleigh Firebirds Taliese Fuaga OT. New Orleans A-. Obviously taken to be a tackle, he'll start day one and avoid any potential guard move. The minus is for new Orleans suckling at developing linemen Rome Eternal Troy Fautanu OL Pittsburgh A. See Fuaga above. Little higher cause even though Arthur Smith sucks as a play caller, he made great strides with the Falcons o line Cancun Kaiju Jackson Powers-Johnson OC- Vegas INC- if you drafted him to be a guard it's an A, if you drafted him to be a center it's a D Hungary Hippos Cooper DeJean DB. Eagles - B. This can become an A depending on how Philly uses him but when you draft a guy this nearly you want to him to be more than a big slot corner which is where I'm guessing he's headed Akureyri Huldufolk Adonai Mitchell WR. Indianapolis C. He will battle for the the number two wr spot but could also be end up the number four. Regardless there's a target hog number one, a run first approach and a qb I'm not sold on Anchorage Aliens Graham Barton OL. Tampa A. Assuming Anchorage drafted him to be a center, they hit. If not this grade falls a bit New Orleans Jazz Byron Murphy IIINT. Seattle C-. Not a knock on Murphy but as of the moment u think Murphy ends up the NT in a 3-4 bases on Seattle's personnel currently . Obviously the draft isn't over so this could easily change. If he ends up a 3-4 end I like it much more Raleigh Firebirds Nate Wiggins CB. Baltimore C. The Ravens are pretty well-known known not to give defensive rookies a lot of early playing time. I think long term his game is a good fit for them however Ivory Coast Black Rhino's Tyler Guyton OT Dallas A+. You get a guy this late who will likely start at LT on a team that develops o line well. Success Lancaster Werewolves Kool-Aid McKinstry CB. New Orleans C. The positives is new Orleans generally develops CB well. The bad news is that because of that he may not have a major role year one Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Ladd McConkey WR. Chargers A+ You get to possibly be a number one target for one of the best Qb in football? That's an easy A+ Akureyri Huldufolk Zach Frazier OC. Pittsburgh A+. If you drafted a center, this is where you wanted him to go predraft. An OC who develops o lineman and instant starter status Anchorage Aliens Amarius Mims OT. Bengals D+. This is another one of those long term outlook better than year one but gets extra dinged by the Bengals sheer incompetence in coaching offensive lineman Las Vegas Banger sJohnny Newton INT Washington F. Long term this may be better but short of a trade he's a backup year one Greenland Polar Bears Xavier Worthy WR. Chiefs A. I mean Mahomes and Andy Reid plus opportunity to earn extensive playing time. Lancaster Werewolves Keon Coleman WR. Buffalo A. Very similar to McConkey. Buffalo has a couple options much better than the chargers though but excellent spot to be Ivory Coast Black Rhino's Edgerrin Cooper LB.GREEN BAY A-. Green Bay clearly needed a LB. Only thing that keeps it from an A is they drafted another lb who probably won't compete with Cooper but it's a you never know Rome Eternal Chop Robinson EDGE.Miami B-. This is kind of the opposite of others I've written, short term this is a good spot with both Chubb and Phillips being on snap counts next season after major surgeries. Downfall is he may end up a pass rush specialist only after that. Akureyri Huldufolk Troy Franklin WR Denver B. Reuniting with his firmer qb is awesome and if Sutton get a moved this goes up. But for the now it's a bit of a question whom amongst Josh Reynolds, mims, Tim Patrick and now Franklin get the most snaps Quebec Nordiques Darius Robinson EDGE Arizona B+. Think he'll start but I'm not gonna say I have any clue how good the staff is there Cancun Kaiju Jonathon Brooks RB.Carolina A+. You draft a RB, you want him to be the lead dog on a run first team. Check and check Rome Eternal Ricky Pearsall WR. 49ers INC. With all the deebo and aiyuk chatter, pearsalls role could be huge or end up being a third fiddle Lancaster Werewolves Malachi Corey WR. Jets B-. So the good news is Mike Williams gets hurt, a lot. But if he doesn't there's a lot of competition for targets in New York, including a couple Rodgers favorites Las Vegas Bangers Braden Fiske INT Rams A. As far as scheme and starting role goes, A+. Loses the plus on the pressure of having to replace a legend and getting constantly compared. It can drive him or crush him Berlin Blitzkrieg Jordan Morgan OL. B. This could be an A if he ends up at tackle and a C if he ends up at guard. Unsure where he the Packers will slot him in Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Tyler Nubin S. Giants B. The good news is he's starting day one. The bad news is this might be the worst secondary I've ever seen which may lead to him not being viewed as highly as part of that whole Rome Eternal Kris Jenkins INT. Cincy B+. This was and easy A til the Bengals drafted another fat guy. Jenkins should still get heavy run either way Las Vegas Bangers Chris Braswell EDGE. Tampa B+. Instantly enters the rotation and with Tryon struggling in his career thus far and an upcoming FA, Braswell could become the starter sooner rather than later Berlin Blitzkrieg Cooper Beebe OG. Dallas B+ Rags says he's OK with Beebe being a center so it's an easier grade. Instant starter which is great but I have to downgrade for having to play a position he's not used to Svalbard Miners Ennis Rakestraw Jr. CB. Detroit C-. This could swing if Detroit plays Branch in the traditional S role much more primarily this year. If not Rakestraw is CB 4 in Detroit Greenland Polar BearsRuke OrhorhoroI NT Atlanta B. At worst he's a heavy part of the Falcons rotation, at best he plays a ton. Currently I'm under the impression the Falcons organization has no idea what the hell they are doing to guess Greenland Polar Bears Trey Benson RB. Cardinals C+. He'll get a solid amount of looks as the compliment to Conner. I just wish that o line was better Las Vegas Bangers Payton Wilson LB Pittsburgh C+. With the knee issue, I imagine Pittsburgh is going to limit him to more the pass down LB with one of Holcomb or Roberts being the early down guy. But that will likely lengthen his career and play to his strengths Las Vegas Bangers Jaylen Wright RB. Miami C -. I guess Miami likes a certain type of back but he's probably third in line right now. Only saving grace is the first two haven't shown an ability to stay healthy Las Vegas Bangers Kingsley Suamataia OT. Chiefs A. As it currently stands, he is a staying tackle for a super bowl team. If that changes, obviously the grade goes down a bit but I can't project it Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Mike Sainristil CB Washington A. Could easily be the number one corner for this team by years end. Rome Eternal Max Melton CB Arizona A. Could open the season as CB 1 but likely CB 2 in Arizona, that's slightly by default but still it's immediate Raleigh Firebirds Michael Penix Jr.QB. Atlanta F. Look this is year one heavy and he's not gonna play short of a cousins injury Akureyri Huldufolk Michael Hall Jr.INT. Cleveland B. I think he gets much more run next year but he'll be a big part of the Cleveland interior rotation, especially on passing downs Lancaster Werewolves Junior Colson LB Chargers A+. He already knows the system and is an instant starter with a coach that believes in him. Easiest grade so far Las Vegas Bangers TJ Tampa CB. C-. Ravens could use another outside corner and push Wiggins inside but they are allergic to starting mid and late round rookies early so he might get red shirted Cancun Kaiju Patrick PaulOT. B-. Will battle Austin Jackson for the starting RT spot. It's a winnable battle. Gets dinged a little with Miamis struggles to develop o linemen Rome Eternal Christian Haynes OG Seattle A-. Instant starter. Gets the minus cause I kno zero about the oc Hungary Hippos Blake Corum RB. Rams B-. Great system for him but they have a young workhorse back. There's no competition for the number two role though so he's an injury away from Studom Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Xavier Legette WR. Panthers B+. The good news is a team traded up for him and have somewhat of a need at WR. The bad news is that team is the Panthers Cancun Kaiju-Maason Smith-NT jags B+ Instantly emters the rotation at worst and has a shot at starting next to Armstead. Not bad for later picks Raleigh Firebirds Roman Wilson WR Pittsburgh A-. Instant starter for Pittsburgh. Minor ding for run first team with a QB carousel Ivory Coast Black Rhino's !Bo Nix QB. Denver A. Will be the starter. Has Sean Payton and a good offensive line. Fits their system. If nix is going to succeed, this is where he had to land Anchorage Aliens Javon Bullard S Green Bay A+ Day one starter in the CF role in a good schemes fit. Nothing top complain about here for a fifth rounder Berlin Blitzkrieg Sedric Van Pran C buffalo. B. he's gonna battle with Connor Mcgovern to be the bills starting center. It's a winnable battle Lancaster Werewolves Cole Bishop S Buffalo A+. See Javon Bullard just above Rome Eternal T'Vondre Sweat INT. Titans A+. I don't think I could ask for anything more than a large role starting next to Jeffrey Simmons Quebec Nordiques Kiran Amegadjie OT. Bears D+. This is a tough grade as I think Ted knew this guy was gonna need a year to develop and that's likely what he'll get. But that's not what these grades do Akureyri Huldufolk Ja'Tavion Sanders TE. B+. He'll battle Tommy tremble and Ian Thomas for the right to underthrown by Bryce Young Akureyri Huldufolk Leonard Taylor Int. FA F. Womp Womp Hungary Hippos Blake Fisher OT Texans A+. Getting a guy who is gonna start at tackle in the fifth is a steal Quebec Nordiques Jaden Hicks S. Chiefs B. Likely opens as third safety but there's definitely a path to playing time Ivory Coast Black Rhino's Kamari Lassiter CB. Texans C. Another that could be much higher but there's a ton of competition for the nickel spot in Houston Anchorage Aliens Ben Sinnott TE. Washington B-. Probably opens up at TE2 to Ertz who has experience in Kliffs system but Zack is not the epitome of health and with a rebuilding team he should see more work as the year goes on. Cancun Kaiju Khyree Jackson CB Minnesota B+. If all you have to do is beat Akaylab Evans for playing time, I say you have a good chance. Not a huge fan of the scheme fit which moves this from an A-. to a b+ Cuba Smugglers-Jeremiah Trotter Jr-.LB. Eagles C. Signing with his dad's team virtually locks up a roster spot but he's likely lb 3 at best behind two guys who aren't old Quebec Nordiques Elijah Jones CB Arizona A. Should open as the starting nickel in Arizona Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Bralen Trice Edge Atlanta A. Only has to beat out Zach Harrison or Lorenzo Carter. Yea I think he'll do it Greenland Polar Bears Beaux Limmer C Rams D. Looks like he'll be behind last year's second round pick Avila. He'll need an injury to a guard or Avila himself to get time Akureyri Huldufolk Cedric Gray LB Titans C+. Likely lb3 to start but should have a rotational role at worst with a chance to get more time as the season unfolds Las Vegas Bangers Marshawn Kneeland Edge. Dallas D+. Unless Parsons plays more LB this year. Kneeland is fighting for backup snaps Svalbard Miners Kris Abrams-Drained CB. Denver C. Will battle last years breakout McMillan for the slot CB job in Denver Rome Eternal MarShawn Lloyd RB. Packers C+. Great scheme fit but is behind Jacobs and will take an injury to be more than just the change of pace guy Akureyri HuldufolkKamren Kinchens S. Rams B-. Will be battling Russ yeast for the spot next to Curl Akureyri Huldufolk Brandon Coleman OG. Commanders A+. If you can somehow get a guy who is likely to start at tackle in the sixth. That's a win Akureyri Huldufolk Zak Inter OG Cleveland D+. This is another down the road it'll be good pick but I don't see him playing much year one Cuba Smugglers Renardo Green CB. San Francisco B+. The positive is he's got a great chance to start. When I looked at him I don't see a cover three zone type but that's the only ding here Cancun Kaiju Cam Hart CB. Chargers A. There's a pretty easy path to playing time in LA if he shows up well in camp Rome Eternal Brendan Rice WR. Chargers B-. If you're gonna go in the seventh, find a place desperate for hell at the position Rome Eternal Dadrion Taylor-Demerson S. Cardinals C-. Unless someone gets moved, DTD is likely a backup year one Cancun Kaiju Jaheim Bell FB. Patriots C+. If new England had any kind of success with these types the past couple of years I could have graded this higher Akureyri Huldufolk Bucky Irving RB. Tampa C+. May get some short yardage work but he has pass protection issues and Tampa has a guy they trust for Irving to be any more than a handful of touches a game guy Lancaster Werewolves Roger Rosengarten OT. Ravens A-. He's gonna have every chance to win the RT slot in Baltimore. He's more a finesse Blocker than power Blocker which is odd in Baltimore Cwmfelinfach Ptrash Pterodactyl Johnny Wilson TE. Eagles D+. It's JJ Arcega Whiteside all over again Greenland Polar Bears Braelon Allen RB. Jets B-. I think he may end up in an AJ Dillon type role which is what his comp is in New York. Berlin Blitzkrieg Theo Johnson TE. Giants INC. With rumors of Waller retiring swirling, this could be a home run pick. But if not he's te3 as I know the giants like Bellinger as a waller compliment Quebec Nordiques Devontez WalkerWR Ravens C. Likely taking over the Devin Duvermay role which unfortunately wasn't a large one Cancun KaijuMohamed Kamara EDGE. D+. It's a good scheme fit but he'll be fighting for a roster spot as edge 5 Las Vegas Bangers Adisa Isaac EDGE. Baltimore C-. I know a lot of people like this spot but Baltimore hasn't shown much ability to make edge rushers and he's in a battle for snaps with two other high picks for the past couple years and Harbaugh fave Van Noy Quebec Nordiques Malik Washington WR. B+. His competition for the paying time is Braxton Berrios. Waddle and Hill get a huge majority of Dolphins looks but if either gets hurt, watch out Raleigh Firebirds Ja'Lynn Polk WR. New England. A. I want to knock this for being New England. But seriously, a shot at a number one WR in the seventh. Can't complain Akureyri Huldufolk Ty'Ron Hopper LB. Packers C. I can't see him getting a bunch of run but he'll likely be LB 3 so he'll at least see the field some Svalbard Miners Luke McCaffery WR. Washington B+. He'll likely be WR 3 in Washington which should get him lots of looks. I don't see him moving up more than that anytime soon but still a solid role to start Cuba Smugglers Jarrian Jones CB. Jaguars B. Likely to be the Jags third corner which is a plus. Jacksonville loves its three safety big nickel though which is a minus Raleigh Firebirds Mason Mccormick OG. Pittsburgh C-. Likely little playing time this year Ivory Coast Black RhinosJermaine Burton WR. Inc. With Higgins demanding a trade this could go way up. If not he's fighting iosivis for wr3 Svalbard Miners Ray Davis RB. Buffalo C+. Likely the number two in Buffalo with a chance for more depending on how cook progresss Cuba Smugglers Jacob Owing WR. San Francisco C. Like Pearsall, if San Francisco moves a guy he goes up the depth chart. If not he's a gadget play WR 5 currently Greenland Polar Bears Calen Bullock S Houston. C-. He will likely replace Ward down the road but I don't see a large year one role Ivory Coast Black RhinosJonah Ellis Denver B-. He'll enter the edge rotation with the Broncos and will get some run 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirA1 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 The draft is in the books. The scramble for rookie free agents has begun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TL-TwoWinsAway Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 @bcb1213 Unreal amount of work. You nailed it with our picks. Well done! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 Unless you know something I don’t, Paul isn’t competing at right tackle. He’s the backup behind Armstead at left tackle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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