MaddHatter Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 RW had a great career, won a SB, almost won a 2nd, had some really good stats in the regular season and in the post-season. He was typically a borderline Top 5 guy playing against guys like Peyton, Rodgers, Brady, Brees and Mahommes. On an All-Time scale, where do you rank him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I don't think he'll be a hall of famer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Consistently in playoffs, Pro Bowler 9 out of 12 seasons, two Super Bowl appearances with one win, played in every game up until the last three seasons where he missed two games in each, clutch as evidenced by 31-comebacks and 39 game winning drives. Top 20 QB all time for me taking into account longevity, efficiency, wins, performances late in games, and era being the most competitive to date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mission27 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 I think he's a HoF certainly not close to top-10 though imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Somewhere between borderline and HoVG. No All-Pros, no MVPs, never an elite QB where he was the best/debatably the best at his position. More of a light accumulator with good efficiency. I wouldn’t vote him in. No idea where I’d put him all-time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 minutes ago, Soko said: Somewhere between borderline and HoVG. No All-Pros, no MVPs, never an elite QB where he was the best/debatably the best at his position. More of a light accumulator with good efficiency. I wouldn’t vote him in. No idea where I’d put him all-time. Who would you put in the hall first, Stafford or Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 (edited) For me, Russell was in that "Very Good, but never Great" category. He was never in the conversation for an All-Pro or MVP - he was always 4th-5th even in his best seasons during a generation of great talents. If Pete hands it off to Lynch instead of throwing from the goal line and the Seahawks win, I imagine Russell is a HOFer in the same way that Eli Manning is, but with a much, much better with his regular and post-season stats far surpassing Eli's. With only 1 SB Win, no AP All-Pros and no MVP's, he's - at best - a borderline HOFer to me. As for @Forge 's question about Stafford or Wilson - Russell for sure at this point. Granted, Stafford was on the Lions for much of his career and never had great coaches, great OL (neither did RW), a great D, or weapons outside of Calvin Johnson, but even when he went to LA, he wasn't "great" and even led the league in INT's. Russ was always great at protecting the ball. With 3 less years in the league, Russ has almost the same amount of TDs but nearly half the INT's of Stafford. Stafford also has ~13k more yards (4200/yr advantage) but Russ' INT% of 1.9 is pretty dang good, esp compared to Stanford's 2.4. Russell also did it with a constant mishmash of OL and SEA never really invested in it, but he had the strong run game of Lynch for a good part of his career and a constant rotation of decent-to-good weapons. If I'm being honest, both are borderline at best to me. Edited February 3 by MaddHatter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Forge said: Who would you put in the hall first, Stafford or Wilson? Honestly, wouldn’t vote either, if I had the choice. They’re kinda opposite in terms of bulk vs efficiency. Russ has the PBs. Also more postseason appearances, but Stafford was in the worse situation. Stafford’s probably got the best season, but like, 2/3-7 are probably Russ. It’s a good question. I’d definitely say no to both, but if I was forced to put one in, I’d go Stafford because I think he peaked higher and did enough with the other seasons even if he wasn’t consistently there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Russel Wilson is easily a hall of famer if phillip rivers and big ben are. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMT Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, Xmad said: Russel Wilson is easily a hall of famer if phillip rivers and big ben are. I can understand putting Big Ben in because of his two SBs, but for me Rivers shouldn't be in, just like Wilson and Stafford aren't HOF either. They're all very good QBs, but they never were top 3 at their position and the Hall is for special players, not good players who played for 10 years+. Not even sure I would put Big Ben in now that you mention it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 In the 9 pro bowls that Wilson has been in, how many in that was as alternate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 8 hours ago, Xmad said: Russel Wilson is easily a hall of famer if phillip rivers and big ben are. Rivers ain’t a HOFer. Ben and Eli likely are because of their SB rings but guys like Rivers and Romo aren’t going near the HOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 My problem with him is when he became arguably a top 5 guy he essentially had zero playoff success Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 9 hours ago, MaddHatter said: Rivers ain’t a HOFer. Ben and Eli likely are because of their SB rings but guys like Rivers and Romo aren’t going near the HOF Rivers will simply because of legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddHatter Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 12 minutes ago, Xmad said: Rivers will simply because of legacy. Disagree completely- he won’t sniff the HOF at any point in the next 40 years 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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