AFF Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 2 hours ago, El Ramster said: Most overrated HC the last 50 years. Carried by players he never drafted.. dudes nothing without Bill. He’s a glorified Jon Gruden Tampa bay redux.. But but but but he’s never had a losing season! Lol As a Steelers…I’m no fan of this extension. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, Danger said: He's Jeff Fisher Fisher could draft monster talent! He just couldn’t use it 😆 dude would hire the worse OC ever. But man he would draft us players up the wazoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 14 minutes ago, El Ramster said: Fisher could draft monster talent! He just couldn’t use it 😆 dude would hire the worse OC ever. But man he would draft us players up the wazoo. Exactly...? Look at the Steelers the last handful of years sans Pickett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 The Fisher comp might make sense if Tomlin lost another SIXTY-FIVE games and didn’t have a ring lol If it’s so easy to put together 17 consecutive non-losing seasons, I think more coaches should just do that and gain job security. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 5 hours ago, NudeTayne said: You love to see it. He's one of the better coaches in the league. He definitely deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 4 hours ago, El Ramster said: Most overrated HC the last 50 years. Carried by players he never drafted.. dudes nothing without Bill. He’s a glorified Jon Gruden Tampa bay redux.. But but but but he’s never had a losing season! Lol How long has he been head coach? Eventually, he has to start getting credit for the players he drafted, because he keeps winning. They are not all from the previous regime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, Soggust said: The Fisher comp might make sense if Tomlin lost another SIXTY-FIVE games and didn’t have a ring lol If it’s so easy to put together 17 consecutive non-losing seasons, I think more coaches should just do that and gain job security. He's definitely a great coach. But I could see his tenure ending like Andy Reid's did in Philadelphia... great coach, but his message is getting stale. But like Reid, he'd be the front runner for most head coaching jobs if he were ever let go. That's why I said I have mixed feelings about this as a Browns fan. The Steelers have been largely mediocre (and just lucky) the past few years, but they could so easily do worse than Tomlin. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodeeWater_Cheezburger Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 8 hours ago, vike daddy said: if Tomlin stays employed through his new contract, the Steelers will have had only 3 coaches over 59 years. Of all the player stats and other records in the league, that number has to be one of the most remarkable. Not only have they only had the three coaches, but it's not like they have been languishing as a bottom dweller in the league for decades either. Their success has been amazing. They are a very well run organization, and they always have been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
43M Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 59 minutes ago, DawgX said: He's definitely a great coach. But I could see his tenure ending like Andy Reid's did in Philadelphia... great coach, but his message is getting stale. But like Reid, he'd be the front runner for most head coaching jobs if he were ever let go. That's why I said I have mixed feelings about this as a Browns fan. The Steelers have been largely mediocre (and just lucky) the past few years, but they could so easily do worse than Tomlin. Tomlin has many strengths and many weaknesses. People talk him up how he hasn't had a losing season and gets his seemingly mediocre teams to play above their talent.....but somehow excuses were always made when his good teams regularly played DOWN. Tomlin certainly doesn't deserve all the blame for our issues over the years, but Im so tired of the media and outside fans who barely watch the Steelers putting him on a pedastal he absolutely doesn't belong on. Tomlin at this point is like a baseball player who gets walked every time he is up to bat and usually gets caught stealing second. Sure he gets on base every time very unspectacularly, but he cant seem to get beyond first base unless someone drives him to another base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradfordSteeler Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 11 hours ago, El Ramster said: For real. If I’m Cincy and Clev I’m partying. Wasting what could be a great defenses potential. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 We’ve needed to bottom out and have been a rebuilding team since 2020, yet are in the playoff conversation every year. And that’s been with bottom 1/3 QB play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 12 hours ago, Soggust said: The Fisher comp might make sense if Tomlin lost another SIXTY-FIVE games and didn’t have a ring lol If it’s so easy to put together 17 consecutive non-losing seasons, I think more coaches should just do that and gain job security. Tomlin won a ring when it was still entirely Bill Cower's roster. He's had some success with his own teams even a decade later, but from 2018-2023 has definitely been Jef Fisher-esque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, warfelg said: We’ve needed to bottom out and have been a rebuilding team since 2020, yet are in the playoff conversation every year. And that’s been with bottom 1/3 QB play. Him not finding a QB is all on him. Him not being able to find a good OC is on him. You’re showing me a guy who needs to be carried. It’s because of him that they’re in this mess. Giving him a 3 year extension is the equivalent of calling the firefighters after you’ve set fire to a building. Just because he’s been ok doesn’t mean they can’t do better or worse. He’s been super bleh… The defense alone should have been enough to carry them to a respectable record. Maybe he shouldn’t have traded for Minkah who’s been good maybe even spectacular! Still wasn’t worth what they gave up for. Mike Tomlin has only survived this long because he has 1 ring a long time ago! And the rooneys hate firing coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, El Ramster said: Him not being able to find a good OC is on him. There was a Dulac report out there that Canada was an ARII call. 11 minutes ago, El Ramster said: The defense alone should have been enough to carry them They have been. Top 10 scoring defense 11/17 years he’s been HC. 11 minutes ago, El Ramster said: You’re showing me a guy who needs to be carried. It’s because of him that they’re in this mess. What roster was good enough to be better than where they ended up? 12 minutes ago, El Ramster said: Maybe he shouldn’t have traded for Minkah who’s been good maybe even spectacular! Still wasn’t worth what they gave up for. 1, GMs make trades not coaches. 2, huh? How is having a top 3 safety for a single 1st round pick (that was late teens) not worth it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 2 hours ago, Danger said: Tomlin won a ring when it was still entirely Bill Cower's roster. I don’t love the idea of giving credit for a SB to a guy two years after he retired and three years since his own SB (that took him 14 years to win). But even if I steelman that as true, that just tells me Tomlin is a fine coach and crappy team builder, which doesn’t seem out of the norm (see: Belichick) 2 hours ago, Danger said: Tomlin won a ring when it was still entirely Bill Cower's roster. He's had some success with his own teams even a decade later, but from 2018-2023 has definitely been Jef Fisher-esque. 2018-2023 Tomlin - .588 reg season w% 2010-2016 Fisher - .402 reg season w% Tomlin 3 playoff appearances 0 wins Fisher 0 playoff appearances 0 wins Comparing last 6 years? No way. Unless the argument is now, “Well if you compare the worst section of Tomlin’s career to the entirety of a 22-year coaches career (where he obv had highs that kept him in the league so long) then we can certainly make it look closer (where Tomlin is still clearly ahead sans playoffs). But then I’m obviously going to cut a section of Tom Brady’s career and compare it to someone like Rivers for dramatic effect lol. Edited June 11 by Soggust 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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